Linked by David Adams on Tue 4th Dec 2007 19:39 UTC, submitted by michuk
Talk, Rumors, X Versus Y "It may be a brave opinion but I predict that Ubuntu Linux and Windows Vista are going to be the two operating systems that will take over the largest chunk of the desktop OS market during the next couple of years. This comparison is based on my experience with both systems during the last couple of weeks on two different computers."
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RE[4]: Silly
by cyclops on Tue 4th Dec 2007 22:49 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Silly"
cyclops
Member since:
2006-03-12

""You can definately use that as a quote from me. I have never defended "monopolistic" abuses, especially "obscene" ones.""

is this you on OOXML

"MS Office uses it by default. Since it has more market share then everything else put together, I would say that it has long since hit critical mass, and you really need to come up with good reasons NOT to use it, since it is what the rest of the world operates on."

"Granted, it is a move in the right direction, and simple documents will be easy to parse by third partys."

Not exactly chastising them is one. ;) .

Oh year and then you take a pot shot at apple for there *loose* DRM as opposed to Vista's Orwellian DRM. Hows that spyware working out for you.

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RE[5]: Silly
by google_ninja on Tue 4th Dec 2007 23:33 in reply to "RE[4]: Silly"
google_ninja Member since:
2006-02-05

Not exactly chastising them is one.


OOXML isnt an abuse of their monopoly, it is a switch in formats (and a move in the right direction). Adding hidden APIs to the operating system for use only in microsoft products, or pressuring hardware venders to not offer alternative operating systems pre-installed are anti-competitive.

In that post, I was responding to somebody saying that OOXML is only used by Office, ODF is used by everything else. What I was saying is that point is moot, since office alone is MORE then everything else put together.

Oh year and then you take a pot shot at apple for there *loose* DRM as opposed to Vista's Orwellian DRM.


I wasn't taking potshots at apple for their DRM, I was pointing out that apple and vendor lock-in go together like peanut butter and chocolate. As someone who happily uses apples various product stacks, I can say that personally I don't care. If I remember right, I was arguing that "lock-in" only sucks when you have to use bits that you don't want to. By tightly coupling a stack, venders are free to provide integration that you wouldn't otherwise see.

You want to use OSX? You are buying a computer from apple, that will be bundled with software covering most creative areas. Their music software is tightly integrated into their music store, and to their portable mp3 player. Their OS is integrated with their .mac online service. Do mac users care? Nope. By contrast, but just bundling WMP with windows, the EU goes up in flames. Imagine if you had to have a Zune to access files you bought in their music store.

Hows that spyware working out for you.


Actually, really well. The more I use ASP.net, the more I love it. I am able to deliver more, faster then I would have ever been able to with J2EE. I still chuckle to myself whenever I do something in a line or two of code that would have taken hours to do in java.

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RE[6]: Silly
by cyclops on Tue 4th Dec 2007 23:39 in reply to "RE[5]: Silly"
cyclops Member since:
2006-03-12

""OOXML isnt an abuse of their monopoly,""

I couldn't stop laughing

""I was pointing out that apple and vendor lock-in go together like peanut butter and chocolate""

What has that to do with crippling the OS/Hardware/Soft-resests/Hardware costs for everyone/Long Driver Development time/Spyware....oh nothing

""Actually, really well""
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Forget-about-the-WGA-20-Windows-Vist...
Its a bit like cancer really, you don't spot it till its too late.

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RE[7]: Silly
by cyclops on Tue 4th Dec 2007 23:46 in reply to "RE[5]: Silly"
cyclops Member since:
2006-03-12

""Imagine if you had to have a Zune to access files you bought in their music store. ""

Imagine open-formats, where hardware is not tied to the music it plays. ;)

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RE[6]: Silly
by lemur2 on Wed 5th Dec 2007 00:04 in reply to "RE[5]: Silly"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

OOXML isnt an abuse of their monopoly, it is a switch in formats (and a move in the right direction). Adding hidden APIs to the operating system for use only in microsoft products, or pressuring hardware venders to not offer alternative operating systems pre-installed are anti-competitive.


Pffffft.

OOXML is riddled with references to Microsoft-proprietary APIs.

It is explicitly designed to be able to implemented fully only by Microsoft, and it is explicitly designed to be able to be run fully only on Windows platforms.

It is ABSOLUTELY an abuse of Microsoft's near-monopoly.

If Microsoft truly believed (as their OOXML spin claims) that "competing formats are good, let the market decide" then why do they not provide native file open & save support for the ODF format within MS Office, so that their locked-in market is able to decide?

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