Linked by David Adams on Tue 4th Dec 2007 19:39 UTC, submitted by michuk
Talk, Rumors, X Versus Y "It may be a brave opinion but I predict that Ubuntu Linux and Windows Vista are going to be the two operating systems that will take over the largest chunk of the desktop OS market during the next couple of years. This comparison is based on my experience with both systems during the last couple of weeks on two different computers."
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RE[2]: Give it some time
by kaiwai on Tue 4th Dec 2007 23:37 UTC in reply to "RE: Give it some time"
kaiwai
Member since:
2005-07-06

Surely you can't blame Ubuntu or Linux for that! If you want to blame somebody, blame the hardware vendors for not supporting the Linux OS! Every time you buy new hardware like a printer, you get Windows drivers and sometimes Mac OS X drivers, but *never* Linux drivers. The Open Source community has been brilliant in creating their own drivers.


How is blaming the hardware company going to solve the problem? The customer doesn't care for your excuses, they just want the damn hardware supported, and they wanted it supported yesterday.

As a customer I don't care what excuses you give me for why hardware doesn't work - all I care about is whether it works or not. If it doesn't work, you won't get me as a customer.

Same goes for third party commercial applications, we as customers don't care for your excuses - unless the application we want are available on your platform, we don't care how good those replacements are, they aren't the ones we're used to it.

Get used to it, this is the marketplace - where customer is king, if you can't step up and meet the challenge, relegate yourself to a niche.

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RE[3]: Give it some time
by cyclops on Tue 4th Dec 2007 23:44 in reply to "RE[2]: Give it some time"
cyclops Member since:
2006-03-12

"How is blaming the hardware company going to solve the problem?"

Works for Vista users...although it does seem that a lot of these things are done already, and large companies like Intel/Ati etc etc are now advertising the work they have done in the kernel.

The Odd thing is he mentions printers, now why should an Apple supporter like you have heard of Cups ;)

"Same goes for third party commercial applications"
You mean like Firefoz, MySQL etc. Unless you didn't mean commercial...but another word maybe binary!?

"this is the marketplace - where customer is king" And yet Apple ;) and Vista both implement DRM which no customer wants. I wonder what you mean. Currently customers bend over for Vista...I was going to make a joke about Vista capable but for those users who where robbed its no joke.

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RE[4]: Give it some time
by kaiwai on Tue 4th Dec 2007 23:55 in reply to "RE[3]: Give it some time"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

Works for Vista users...although it does seem that a lot of these things are done already, and large companies like Intel/Ati etc etc are now advertising the work they have done in the kernel.

The Odd thing is he mentions printers, now why should an Apple supporter like you have heard of Cups ;)


No it doesn't. Windows users froth at the mouth when their hardware isn't supported - and who gets the blame? not Nvidia, not ATI, but Microsoft. Microsoft will get blamed for everything from their hardware not being supported to their cat being hit by a car.

You mean like Firefoz, MySQL etc. Unless you didn't mean commercial...but another word maybe binary!?


What is so difficult to understand about third party commercial software. Where are the Adobes, Quicken's, the numerous games companies producing boxed software for Linux?

Again, people don't give a sh*t about the excuses, they want their applications; I'm not going to move Linux until there are quantifiable improvements over Mac OS X and all my software is available for Linux.

That is the case for ALL end users; I've been hearing the same pissing and moaning form the Linux quarter for 10 damn years, and yet, in 10 years no one has yet come up with an office suite which isn't slow and bloated, a Photo editing application which doesn't royally suck, or many of the numerous tools out there which are properly developed and MAINTAINED for the long term.

Take inkscape, no improvement forward in months. Passparout is now dead. Pan, again, dead. Pidgin? too bothered about chucking code out because of political arguments rather than adding features when code is made available - anyone remember the video support fiasco?

And yet Apple ;) and Vista both implement DRM which no customer wants. I wonder what you mean. Currently customers bend over for Vista...I was going to make a joke about Vista capable but for those users who where robbed its no joke.


Bullcrap. Apple is growing in the high double digits - yet, people are forced to run Apple Mac's *rolls eyes* stop trying to make up bullshit, because it won't float here.

Vista been a failure - where? all sales figures so far, both retail and OEM have actually been pretty good! so again, stop trying to generate bullshit to prop up your anti-Apple and anti-Microsoft agenda.

How about instead of spreading lies, you actually spend some time fixing the deficiencies in your operating system - then maybe people might voluntarily move to it.

Edited 2007-12-04 23:55

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RE[3]: Give it some time
by dylansmrjones on Thu 6th Dec 2007 03:21 in reply to "RE[2]: Give it some time"
dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

In that case the customer can damn straight pay for that support.

Using a gratis OS and demanding support like you had paid 500$, while you are sitting in the corner and whining about the evil non-paid developers that don't have time for you right now because they have a life outside your computer problems, just isn't fair.

Contribute or shut up.

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