Linked by David Adams on Tue 4th Dec 2007 19:39 UTC, submitted by michuk
Talk, Rumors, X Versus Y "It may be a brave opinion but I predict that Ubuntu Linux and Windows Vista are going to be the two operating systems that will take over the largest chunk of the desktop OS market during the next couple of years. This comparison is based on my experience with both systems during the last couple of weeks on two different computers."
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RE[6]: Give it some time
by kaiwai on Wed 5th Dec 2007 00:50 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Give it some time"
kaiwai
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2005-07-06

Well kaiwai, for once I strongly agree with what you have wrote. At the end of the day there needs to be support for these applications, and companies like Adobe, Autodesk, etc.. are not going to port to another platform unless they absolutely 110% are forced to.


Even if you take out specialised applications like AutoCad, there are software titles like Photoshop Elements which customers use, Quicken, MYOB, Corel and numerous other consumer applications.

Look at what has happened with gaming and Apple, it becomes closer to non-existent each year. Is this an indicator of the quality of the OS or hardware? Absolutely NOT!. In fact for many years Apple computers had higher performing graphic cards standard than came with most PCs. The shift was the explosion of consoles and the market share of Windows. The gaming companies had absolutely no more reason to support Apple OS, when they figured if someone want to game they could either buy a PC or better yet buy a console. Hence now why most games come out in both PC and console.


I disagree they're non-existent by virtue of a lack of dominance in gaming; Most people don't use their computers for games. Games are a non-issue. Those who are hard core gamers are a very small percentage of the overall user base.

Apple's hardware sales are increasing at double digit rates, they're not sitting at 2 million per quarter; I don't know about you, but thats pretty good considering they sell not a single computer to the enterprise market - which is where a large number of PC's are sold.

Anyway, anyone who purchases a computer for games need their brain examine. Get a console for games, a MacBook for a laptop, and voila, nirvana.

Does OSX have some serious limitation as to why Autodesk does not port over? No, not at all. Autodesk does not port AutoCAD simply because they have no reason to, no reason to add to their cost. Most of their users are already on Windows, or will simply move to Windows to use this application. For years I never really even saw Apple as targeting the same consumers as the PC, nor do I necessarily believe they can at this point unless radical changes are done in their business model. But then again Apple has always been happy and proud of it's targeted market and never felt the absolute need to expand. Now with iTunes and others they have no reason to, they have excellent revenue stream from multiple sources.


The lack of solidworks is also a nuisance as well. Hope that one of them pull their head out of their ass given the rapid rise in the number of people in the engineering field using Mac's. Just go to the engineering department at Canterbury (which is what it is famous for - the Hamilton Water Jet), its Apple central.

With that said, if anyone is capable of competing with Windows it would be Apple, and not Linux (speaking strictly of the desktop). With that said I would mention that 95% of Microsoft targeting Linux has nothing to do with desktop Linux, it is not even on their freakin radar for good reason. When they market against Linux this is solely the server space, where Microsoft has for years competed with Unix/Solaris. Since proprietary Unix is moving to Linux, obviously Microsoft now targets Linux as a competitor. But seriously people, and I am thinking of two in particular, get back to reality.


Apple also knows what it wants. It isn't beholden to the corporates, it doesn't have to constantly compromise development to simply keep some sparmy corporates happy - the same sparmy scum that demands Microsoft to keep stupid amounts of backwards compatibility at the detriment of development, security and reliability.

Edited 2007-12-05 00:53

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RE[7]: Give it some time
by daschmidty on Wed 5th Dec 2007 01:33 in reply to "RE[6]: Give it some time"
daschmidty Member since:
2007-03-01

On a sidenote, you are honestly the first person I have ever heard speaking of "apple central" in the engineering department at a university. Here at Illinois, where the engineering student population is one of the largest in the United States(It is also the birthplace of the web browser and the home university of the father of the transistor and the theory of superconductivity) we have not one apple computer in our department. We have XP and RHEL 5 workstations(also some solaris 8 sparc woorkstations which they are phasing out). While some quality engineering software refuses to be ported to linux(solidworks and autodesk mainly) there is a fair amount that has(matlab,maple,mathematica,Pro/Engineer CAD, Ansys etc)

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