Linked by David Adams on Tue 4th Dec 2007 19:39 UTC, submitted by michuk
Talk, Rumors, X Versus Y "It may be a brave opinion but I predict that Ubuntu Linux and Windows Vista are going to be the two operating systems that will take over the largest chunk of the desktop OS market during the next couple of years. This comparison is based on my experience with both systems during the last couple of weeks on two different computers."
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RE[3]: I have to disagree.
by ssa2204 on Wed 5th Dec 2007 20:04 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: I have to disagree."
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Member since:
2006-04-22

"Serious gamers play on consoles nowadays."

I could not disagree more with this statement, if anything the emergence of consoles (which have always been around, just not as hyped as they are now) has separated hardcore gamers from the casual. Take a look at the most recent Call of Duty 4 release, both on console and PC. There the most dedicated to the game have the PC version for a reason, because of the limitations that will always exist for consoles. Most of the servers are run by clans or organizations that are 110% PC only for good reasons. Consoles do not allow you to run customized mods, conversions, and maps. The people that will still be around playing this game in a few years will be the hardcore PC fans, the console players will have to move on to whatever latest greatest title exists.

Let us not forget that some classic games such as Blizzard's Diablo 2 which is still played by millions is PC only, as are numerous other titles. If you go to any community run website for a game, everything is geared towards the PC only. Hereos of M&M, COD series, Battlefield series, etc..

Most game titles out there are far more rich in their PC offering. I know that COD4 in a short time online will offer tons of new features that you simply can not get for the console. Not too mention the fact that consoles do not allow you generally to run expansions.

And let us not forget that little program called Steam...which is PC only. In short consoles are and will not be in the near future an option for hardcore gamers period. Consoles are for younger people or more casual gamers who simply can move on to the next game more frequently, where as PC users can have a game's life extended for years through customization. I don't know if a console version of COD1 and UO came out, but I am 110% certain that the number of PC users far exceedes that of the console users simply because the game as it is now is NOTHING like when it was released due to customization that can only be done for the PC.

Edited 2007-12-05 20:05

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RE[4]: I have to disagree.
by archiesteel on Thu 6th Dec 2007 05:03 in reply to "RE[3]: I have to disagree."
archiesteel Member since:
2005-07-02

The *only* genres where PC gaming still survives is First-Person Shooters and Real-Time Strategy - and even then, there are fewer PC exclusives in these genres as time goes by. Just look at charts for the console and PC versions of Call of Duty 4 - sales are much higher for the former than the latter. Also, don't forget that you can now download content for consoles as well, so don't expect much more features for the PC version of COD4.

Now, look at all the hot exclusives that are available on consoles but don't have PC ports (or have PC ports that come out waaaay after console versions). And we're not just talking Mario or Pokemon, here - the Xbox360 has attracted *huge* amounts of hardcore gamers with its excellent game catalog.

Consoles are for younger people or more casual gamers who simply can move on to the next game more frequently, where as PC users can have a game's life extended for years through customization.


The sentence is misleading: while there are more kids playing on consoles, there is also a very large proportion of hardcore gamers. The PC stalwarts you mention are a relatively small number when compared to the total number of gamers out there.

And let us not forget that little program called Steam...which is PC only.


Thank God for that. Steam is the worst concept ever designed by a game publisher. Meanwhile, Half-Life 2 was released on consoles and make a killing.

I seriously think your perception of the game industry is tainted by your own personal bias. Take it from an insider who pores over sales charts and talks with game publishers on a regular basis: the PC gaming industry has been dwarfed by the console industry for *years* now, and the trend isn't likely to change anytime soon.

That's not to say that there still aren't any good or successful PC games (I can't believe you failed to mention World of Warcraft), only that these are few and far between when you compare numbers with consoles - and that it's very possible for a real hardcore gamer to have, say, Linux or Mac OSX on their PC and get their gaming fix on their Xbox360 or PS3 (well, as soon as the latter's catalog grow a little...)

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RE[5]: I have to disagree.
by Alleister on Thu 6th Dec 2007 11:40 in reply to "RE[4]: I have to disagree."
Alleister Member since:
2006-05-29

Yes, there are plenty of First Person Shooters on Consoles now, but they just aren't fun, not even a little. You have the choice of playing them with a Gamepad, which means, either every enemy in the game will stand around like a drunk monkey and fails to hit you from 5 meters away or you have autoaiming and watch the game play itself or you could get an Wii, where the First Person Shooters look like Quake 1 Mods and you still require lot of autoaiming, which feels like watching someone else playing. Not to forget that with a joypad you walk around like a drunk sailor on vacation.

I don't like Beat Em Ups except for Street Fighter 2 and i don't like Dance Dance Revolution, Guitar Hero and all those crappy typical console games.
Until i can play console games with Mouse and Keyboard i'm not tempted.

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RE[4]: I have to disagree.
by archiesteel on Thu 6th Dec 2007 05:10 in reply to "RE[3]: I have to disagree."
archiesteel Member since:
2005-07-02

By the way, even Microsoft is privileging consoles over PC for gaming. They make more money with Xbox360 games (around 10% of retail price, I believe) than with Windows games (a big fat 0% of retail price). They can also control the quality of games better.

Your characterization that consoles are for casual gamers and PCs are for hardcore gamers hasn't been valid for at least a good three years, the watershed moment being the release of Halo 2. How long did PC gamers have to wait until they could play this? Yeah, I thought so.

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RE[5]: I have to disagree.
by Erunno on Thu 6th Dec 2007 07:56 in reply to "RE[4]: I have to disagree."
Erunno Member since:
2007-06-22

the watershed moment being the release of Halo 2. How long did PC gamers have to wait until they could ply this? Yeah, I thought so.


It's not like I've met any PC gamer in real life or on the internet who was actually impressed with Halo1/2. It's a fairly medicore shooter compared to the usual offerings on the PC. The hype around Halo is from the perspective of a PC gamer, well, curious and hard to understand. Plus, I thought the Halo games where XBox exclusives *shrug*. They can keep their medicore offerings as far as I care.

It also really depends on which kind of games you regard as "hardcore". Games like Fallout, Torment or newer titles like Eschalon or Space Rangers have low production values but offers a gameplay experience you'll be hard pressed to find on any console (not talking about quality here) while consoles seem to be more aimed at the casual player who likes games that look and sound good and are easy to get into.

Edited 2007-12-06 08:00

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RE[5]: I have to disagree.
by Alleister on Thu 6th Dec 2007 11:52 in reply to "RE[4]: I have to disagree."
Alleister Member since:
2006-05-29

Halo 2 was more like an XBox exclusive. Who would want that thing, it couldn't even compete with third market games that you get for a 10th of it's price when it came out. You know, it is not like their aren't more interesting PC exclusives, like Sam and Max, Jack Keane and Ankh and you would never find unusual games like Darwinia on any Console.

A big Budget doesn't mean a good game... often the small budget games are much more interesting. It is like the Film industry... PI almost had no budget, while Episode 1 had a huge budget, yet PI is a gorgeous movie while Episode 1 is two hours of crappy boredom.

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