Linked by Eugenia Loli on Fri 7th Dec 2007 06:25 UTC, submitted by poundsmack
Qt Jambi ships as a single Java library, or JAR (Java Archive) file, plus a handful of tools, including an interface layout and design tool, and an Eclipse plug-in. Trolltech uses its vaunted Qt C++ library as the GUI engine and puts Java wrappers around it. This approach uses the JNI (Java Native Interface) to call the necessary functions from Java. More here.
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RE[6]: Unconvinced
by segedunum on Fri 7th Dec 2007 20:45 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Unconvinced"
segedunum
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2005-07-06

Sure. As long as the prices for those tools are reasonable. For many ISVs, QT's prices are outrageously high.

ISVs spend huge amounts of money on tools and software to support their business, which is creating software that they can sell. Tools are exceptionally important to ISVs, and you can see that from the size of the market. Yes we have Subversion, CVS and Git which are free, but even the source control software tools market runs into hundreds of millions, if not more.

If you believe the above then you know nothing about ISVs, and I say that in the politest manner possible.

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RE[7]: Unconvinced
by mikeurbandz on Fri 7th Dec 2007 20:49 in reply to "RE[6]: Unconvinced"
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2007-10-29

> If you believe the above then you know nothing
> about ISVs, and I say that in the politest
> manner possible.

On the contrary, I know quite a bit about ISVs. And those source control tools are being sold to enterprises. NOT to small independent ISVs.

It's quite clear though you know nothing about Java and Swing. Since all three of the points you said it cannot do in your previous post, it can in fact do. And it can do it relatively easily. And on a cross platform basis.

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RE[8]: Unconvinced
by segedunum on Fri 7th Dec 2007 21:46 in reply to "RE[7]: Unconvinced"
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

On the contrary, I know quite a bit about ISVs. And those source control tools are being sold to enterprises. NOT to small independent ISVs.

No you don't. ISVs of any size spend an awful lot on development tools and software. They still spend money on MSDN licenses if they do Windows development, and they even buy source code management software. Why do they do this? Because they develop software for a living. The market is heaving with the stuff, and companies of all types buy this.

If you're hinting at shareware developers then go away. Seriously. You don't know what you're talking about, and I say that as politely as I can. This refrain has been echoing around the open source world forever, and it's what is holding free desktops back from attracting ISVs in any way - because they don't understand customers. Read Eric Sink's book 'The Business of Software' if you're at all confused about any of this. It's worth the money in itself:

http://www.amazon.com/Eric-Business-Software-Experts-Voice/dp/15905...

Eric coined the term micro-ISV, so he knows what he's talking about. He runs SourceGear, which sells source code management tools to businesses of all sizes.

Read pages 172 - 173, about why someone would buy this stuff as opposed to using something like CVS for free (he was asked this question at Gnomedex). Many will, but for a lot, it just doesn't fit their needs. As Eric would say, if you're bewildered at this then 'you might want to find a scroll of identify and see what gloves you're wearing' ;-).

It's quite clear though you know nothing about Java and Swing. Since all three of the points you said it cannot do in your previous post, it can in fact do.

It amounts to just about reusing your GTK theme, fonts and icons, and approximating the feel. That's it. Sadly, that isn't good enough for developing desktop applications.

I laugh at people jumping up and down and telling me that I'm wrong because the Java 6 LAF has finally got around to inheriting the native theme, icons and fonts - after ten+ years! Believe me, that is the minimum that's required from something that purports to allow you to develop desktop applications.

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