Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 14th Dec 2007 14:29 UTC, submitted by Dan Warne
Windows APCMag sums up the information we already have on Windows 7. "We're still in the long dark before 7's dawn, but the earliest signs are encouraging: a new streamlined kernel, an inbuilt VM for running old software, a revised and simplified UI... There's every chance that Microsoft intends Windows 7 to rise from the ashes of Vista and be what Mac OS X was for Apple."
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PlatformAgnostic
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2006-01-02

We talked about this a while ago. MinWin is NOT an attempt to make a streamlined NT kernel. It is simply a partitioning of the Windows source tree and binaries for organizing internal engineering efforts.

Like much of the news about Microsoft on the Net, this article reflects very little what's going on inside the company.

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sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

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We talked about this a while ago. MinWin is NOT an attempt to make a streamlined NT kernel. It is simply a partitioning of the Windows source tree and binaries for organizing internal engineering efforts.

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Yes, we have. But Eric Traut, Director of VM and Kernel Development at Microsoft, who leads the 200 engineer team at Microsoft in charge of kernel development , and MinWin in particular, doesn't seem to be aware of it. In his talk, he says nothing of that, and instead focuses upon the streamlined nature of MinWin. In the talk linked in the story which I linked in my previous post, he repeatedly focuses on MinWin's "small" size and "low" resource consumption. At exactly 49:00, he even claims that the memory stats displayed, and which I have quoted, constitute "proof that there is a pretty nice little core inside of Windows".

He mentions nothing of it not being an attempt at a streamlined kernel, and plenty to imply that it is such an attempt. And he says nothing about MinWin being "simply a partitioning of the Windows source tree and binaries for organizing internal engineering efforts."

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Like much of the news about Microsoft on the Net, this article reflects very little what's going on inside the company.

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With all due respect, what are your sources, which you feel have greater credibility than the man in charge of the team developing MinWin at Microsoft?

Edited 2007-12-15 13:38

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PlatformAgnostic Member since:
2006-01-02

I work with some of the people who produce MinWin, I've read many of the specs behind MinWin, and I spend pretty much my entire time in the MinWin source tree.

You're interpreting Eric Traut's words in a way he didn't intend them. I've met Eric several times: he's a very friendly guy and he's extremely knowledgeable about the nitty gritty aspects of OSes and computer architecture (he's one of the primary authors of VirtualPC), but he's not a marketing person and he's not a PR person. He's an engineer, and he was giving an engineering talk to a university audience. People are interpreting his talk as some sort of official marketing, but that's grasping at straws.

Just to be clear... MinWin is not a microkernel and MinWin is not an attempt to strip down the current NT kernel. If you want to find out everything about it before Win7 goes into beta, you'll probably have to change jobs.

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