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Gentoo A relatively lengthy Q&A with Ciaran McCreesh about Paludis, the Portage alternative for Gentoo.
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I love Gentoo
by kev009 on Sun 16th Dec 2007 04:50 UTC
kev009
Member since:
2006-11-30

Wow, you guys are missing out :-). What drew me into Gentoo was portage, and what keeps me using it is portage. Yes, Gentoo has had some rough times but it works damn well on this workstation and my server. I think Gentoo will be around for quite a while longer no matter what others say.

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RE: I love Gentoo
by SANGEKi on Sun 16th Dec 2007 06:19 in reply to "I love Gentoo"
SANGEKi Member since:
2006-11-30

I certainly hope so!

I've been with Gentoo pretty much from the beginning and it's the perfect distribution for me.
Nothing else comes even remotely close.

I just love being able to specify exactly which optional features of a package I need and especially which features I really don't (welcome to the power of USE flags).

Compile times should be of no matter on a fairly recent system and even if you need two days on older hardware it is worth it in my opinion.
OF COURSE it depends on the actual scenario and in what way exactly the computer will be used.

Not many other distributions can give me the freedom Gentoo does while still providing me with very easy to use tools to manage that freedom.
Gentoo can be as minimal or as bloated as you'd like it and I love it!

Edited 2007-12-16 06:25

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RE: I love Gentoo
by jadeshade on Sun 16th Dec 2007 08:19 in reply to "I love Gentoo"
jadeshade Member since:
2007-07-10

but you're the guy who's running gentoo on a server, why should we trust you?

(the flaw in this argument lies in the possibility that kev009 is so leet that he keeps a gentoo server completely stable.)

(otherwise it is a pretty valid argument.)

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RE[2]: I love Gentoo
by kev009 on Sun 16th Dec 2007 08:27 in reply to "RE: I love Gentoo"
kev009 Member since:
2006-11-30

Yes, Gentoo is an excellent server meta-distribution. In fact, only the BSDs come close with their ports system.

Most people don't know of the advanced package manager that is portage. I can compile the whole environment on a workstation, export the package dir over NFS, and install -- get this -- BINARY, yes -- BINARY packages on the server. These packages can be TESTED on the build environment as well. Holy shit!

FWIW Easynews.com is almost 100% Gentoo servers, as are a few other businesses. Most folks think or expect Gentoo to be or fit one mold but it really doesn't. It scales from the CF router in my closet to the servers in my rack.

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RE[2]: I love Gentoo
by dylansmrjones on Sun 16th Dec 2007 16:36 in reply to "RE: I love Gentoo"
dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

Keeping a gentoo system stable is a non-issue. Just RTFM and follow it.

It's also easy to break. Install all kinds of unstable software, and do emerge -uDN world on daily basis. That'll do the trick.

You don't have to be leet to make it stable. Just use common sense (that however may of course be leet in it self :p )

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RE: I love Gentoo
by blixel on Sun 16th Dec 2007 09:34 in reply to "I love Gentoo"
blixel Member since:
2005-07-06

Wow, you guys are missing out


On my Debian desktop/workstation, I have the window manager I want, the browser I want, the e-mail client I want, the IM client I want, the music software, the office apps, and so on.

On my Ubuntu laptop, it all pretty much "just works".

On my OpenBSD server, I have OpenLDAP setup how I want, I have apache, postfix, mysql, etc...

So ... I have everything I want, setup how I want - and I didn't spend an entire day doing "stage 1 / stage 2 / stage 3" installs - and I don't spend hours and hours per week turning my CPU into a hot iron grill by way of compiling hundreds of megs of source code (thereby wasting enormous amounts of electricity and otherwise making the machine completely useless while it's compiling)

So ... what am I missing out on exactly?

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RE[2]: I love Gentoo
by dylansmrjones on Sun 16th Dec 2007 21:55 in reply to "RE: I love Gentoo"
dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

You are not doing stage 1 and stage 2 installations anymore (which is sad - they are the funniest parts of installing gentoo).

More power to you that all packages in Ubuntu are compiled exactly the way you want them to be. Personally I must say that my needs are quite different, so none of the 'buntus fit me. I'd prefer LFS but it's a PITA to maintain, so I use gentoo (though Source Mage and FreeBSD were close competitors before I chose gentoo back in ... hmm.. distant past).

Since all packages in *buntu are compiled 100% according your taste you are not missing out on anything. Consider yourself lucky.

EDIT: The computer is not "useless" while compiling. You can do all kind of stuff while the machine is compiling the packages in the background. You know, these days OS'es support multitasking. Your knowledge of gentoo is severely outdated.

Edited 2007-12-16 21:56 UTC

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RE[2]: I love Gentoo
by de_wizze on Mon 17th Dec 2007 02:51 in reply to "RE: I love Gentoo"
de_wizze Member since:
2005-10-31

How soon after all those 'apps that you want' add a feature that you wanted to their stable release will you be able to get and make use of it?

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