Linked by Eugenia Loli on Sun 16th Dec 2007 00:04 UTC, submitted by obsethryl
Gentoo A relatively lengthy Q&A with Ciaran McCreesh about Paludis, the Portage alternative for Gentoo.
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WereCatf
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2006-02-15

Wow you sure got Gentoo totally the wrong way :O Gentoo isn't about optimizing everything with some magical compiler parameters and somehow magically having a whole lot faster distro than everyone else...It's about being able to customize everything for specifically yourself and your machine. I have been using Gentoo for years and there just simply isn't anything that could draw me away from it. F.ex. I can install MPlayer with exactly the features I want, but on the binary distros you're stuck with what they provide you.. Oh, and just to say something about those optimizations: no, optimizing and tweaking some GUI app won't mean much but if you're for example running Apache.....Having Apache optimized for the hardware it is running on will benefit a lot more. I instruct gcc to optimize my server software for max speed whereas I instruct gcc to optimize my GUI apps for size. The smaller size the binaries are the faster they load and less memory is used, you know? But on a binary distro you don't have that kind of a power.

EDIT: Just thought to add here that I see it kind of stupid to be compiling new software every day...I usually sync portage tree once every two weeks and update everything then. I'll just leave it compiling them while I'm out of home or sleeping.

Edited 2007-12-16 11:36

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sithgunner Member since:
2006-02-16

Right. IIRC if you just install Ubuntu, it doesn't even play DVD or even mp3 (last time I tried) with its media player(totem)...

In Gentoo, I can even build desktop systems that fits much better suited for me than any other distro, because my media player WILL play everything I want it to play...(dvd, flac, mp3) not like stripped down half useless thing just because the distro maker's decision about license or whatever there is about it that won't let you play the damn file you own...

And on binary distro these problems will start causing 3rd party repos to spawn here and there, having them say 'we have the more working and leading edge apps' and will start to lead into further problems, since those are run by small amount of people and will not get the proper maintenance as much as the official repos.

I just don't know when people say 'Gentoo is going downhill'. It might mean 'not getting as much publicity as it used to', because people know Gentoo by now and hype about source based distro and compilation magic is over... IMHO, it's still the hottest distro out there.

I may be insulting but other 'easier' binary distro will cause random newbies to start posting so much questions and answers on the net that google results tend to bury the real technical questions but tend to show random newbie posts that make you sigh... but when it comes to gentoo, forum/wiki/just plain google results are full of technical helpful documents and that's another part that I like Gentoo about. gentoo-wiki.com is a great stuff.

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dagw Member since:
2005-07-06

Right. IIRC if you just install Ubuntu, it doesn't even play DVD or even mp3 (last time I tried) with its media player(totem)...

If you just install Gentoo it does absolutely nothing. Do get it to play dvds, flac and mp3s you have to install a media player and the correct codecs. In Ubuntu the media player comes pre-installed by default and all you have to do is add codecs for whatever you want. And adding those codecs is very trivial, certainly as easy as using portage and probably much easier. Claiming that getting a media player to play mp3s is easier with gentoo than Ubuntun, simply isn't true.

(another ex-gentoo user, also an ex ubuntu user)

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dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

Well put, WereCatf!

I've been using gentoo for more than two years now and I have no intention to leave. It gives me the freedom of LFS without the administrative hassle ;)

Oh, and why bother with daily compilation? I use glsa-check mostly, and every now and then an update of world (one can usually skip the glsa-check if you update more than once a month).

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