Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 16th Dec 2007 14:24 UTC
Windows "All promised features were cut from Vista." This is a commonly heard complaint about Windows Vista on the internet. While there certainly is a lot to complain about when it comes to Windows Vista, the mythical 'cancelled features' certainly is not one of them. Let me explain why.
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How many
by kaiwai on Sun 16th Dec 2007 15:30 UTC
kaiwai
Member since:
2005-07-06

How many of those features though are incredibly important - WinFS, the same thing can be accomplished already. I remember there was an interview a while back with Bill Gates regarding searching, but the idea he floated was more an eventual aim rather than an actual product announcement; if you were wondering, it was the idea of a natural language search - "find me all documents written before 16 December" (for example).

Regarding performance - I installed it on my Toshiba laptop (PSAA9A-0CU004) and its performance was subpar; running on a HP dv6209tx (Windows Vista Business Edition) which had a Core 2 vs. the Core (32bit) which the Toshiba had, provided an improvement - even so, I never felt as comfortable as I do with this Mac.

Back ontopic, like I said, the 'features' dropped weren't exactly all that important in the grand scheme of things when compared to what was included.

RE: How many
by TBone0 on Sun 16th Dec 2007 15:45 in reply to "How many"
TBone0 Member since:
2006-12-26

What was included? DRM, useless eyecandy, a software "protection" platform, lots of new bugs, hardware incompatibilities and a rewritten network stack with worse performance?

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RE[2]: How many
by Joe User on Sun 16th Dec 2007 15:51 in reply to "RE: How many"
Joe User Member since:
2005-06-29

LOL, sad but true.

"In conclusion, there is nothing wrong with voicing your disappointment online, but it is not okay to do so based on lies".

I don't remember having read lies in comments. There have been dropped features and you listed them in this article.

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RE[2]: How many
by Brunis on Sun 16th Dec 2007 18:02 in reply to "RE: How many"
Brunis Member since:
2005-11-01

What was included? DRM, useless eyecandy, a software "protection" platform, lots of new bugs, hardware incompatibilities and a rewritten network stack with worse performance?


That's the summary i could never put into words myself. Although you missed some of the retarded features that are much like the ones added in XP to fix the previous release. In XP it was System Restore! Wow, let's ADD more software to recover the system after our faulty software. And in the next version, we'll ADD SuperSystemReadyBoostedRestoreV2 to try and repair the system, when SystemRestore fails.

Things like ReadyBoost .. to squeeze back 1% of the 50% performance they removed.. by .. eeeh.. hardware accelerating the UI? now, how did we manage to make it slower with hardware acceleration.. who knows.. ..i'm still appalled that Vista is actually slower.. if i had to put my money somewhere i'd rather buy XP Service Pack 3 than Vista!

But i'd have to agree with Thom on one thing.. we should be thankful they did not release more 'features' ..but then.. what are customers paying for ?
A 50% drop in performance? despite the $2-800 investment they had to make to make the damn thing run? Don't say Aero.. it's not a feature. Don't say ReadyBoost.. It costs even more, to get back a fraction of the performance you lost..
in fact.. just.. for the love of god.. mention a useful feature in Vista.. (for customers, not hardware manufacturers moving more product).

I'm so annoyed with this disastrous product!!!

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RE: How many
by google_ninja on Sun 16th Dec 2007 20:30 in reply to "How many"
google_ninja Member since:
2006-02-05

I have a dv9000, and a friend of mine has a 17" MacBook pro. They are comparable machines and have comparable prices. When I compare my machine to other pc laptops out there, it usually comes out on top. When I compare it to the MacBook, there are HUGE differences.

1) The MacBook is half as thick, and noticeably lighter.

2) The MacBook makes no noise. Zero. When the fans are at max, you can barely hear the hum. On my machine, when the fans are at max you can DEFINATELY hear them.

3) The mac has a beautiful white finish, a glowing apple, and the lights kind of throb. My machine has a black enamel finish that you can see EVERY fingerprint on, and its lights are static (although blue).

4) The sound off his speakers, while not great, isn't terrible. The sound off of mine is kind of squelched on both the highs and the lows.

5) My DVDR drive pops out a tray when you press a button, just like every laptop made in the last decade. His acts more like a high end car stereo.

5) His FrontRow remote cannot be blocked. I don't know if they use RF or something, but if you point it in the general direction of the laptop, it works. My remote is definitely IR, and needs to be pointed at a very specific spot to function properly.

Now, my machine has two 100 gig hard drives vs one 80 gig, a slightly faster CPU, AND costed me 400$ less. Not only that, but every other laptop I compare it to usually gets blown out of the water in those categories I listed. It is comparatively quiet, it is esthetically attractive, it has friggin altec lansing speakers. Not only that, but it runs Vista flawlessly (I notice no difference in performance between Vista and XP on this hardware). But ignoring the hard drive, the macbook is better in every way.

So to sum it up, the MacBook blows a high end pc laptop out of the friggin water.

Its a shame too, because the 80 gig drive was the dealbreaker for me. I work with .net (wouldnt change that for the world either), so I would have needed to dual boot. Two operating systems and my 60 gigs of music would pretty much fill up the drive.

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RE[2]: How many
by Gzzy on Sun 16th Dec 2007 21:20 in reply to "RE: How many"
Gzzy Member since:
2005-11-21

I have the same laptop and your comparison is bs.

The DV9000 and Macbook Pro aren't even remotely close in price. The HP starts at $849 and the Macbook at $2799. That's more than 3 times the price of the HP. Even configured as close as possible to the baseline 17 inch MBP it comes out to $1499. Less than half the price.
http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/load_configuration.do?de...

For less than the baselie price for the MBP you can get 500GB's of HD space, 4GB's or ram, a TV Tuner, and a HD-DVD burner:
http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/load_configuration.do?de...

HP's notebooks that compare best to the MBP are the ones in the business section of their site.

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RE[2]: How many
by Horatio_Hellpop on Mon 17th Dec 2007 14:50 in reply to "RE: How many"
Horatio_Hellpop Member since:
2007-12-17

//So to sum it up, the MacBook blows a high end pc laptop out of the friggin water. //

Er, what? All of your points about the Macbook are purely asthetic ... you think the Macbook is prettier. That's about it.

Nice technical comparison.

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RE: How many
by n4cer on Mon 17th Dec 2007 14:44 in reply to "How many"
n4cer Member since:
2005-07-06

How many of those features though are incredibly important - WinFS, the same thing can be accomplished already. I remember there was an interview a while back with Bill Gates regarding searching, but the idea he floated was more an eventual aim rather than an actual product announcement; if you were wondering, it was the idea of a natural language search - "find me all documents written before 16 December" (for example).


Natural language search is actually included in Vista. It is just disabled by default.

http://mike.spaces.live.com/Blog/cns!FBABF8E542F5D5DB!7837.entry

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