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Gentoo A relatively lengthy Q&A with Ciaran McCreesh about Paludis, the Portage alternative for Gentoo.
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RE[4]: relevancy?
by siride on Mon 17th Dec 2007 05:18 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: relevancy?"
siride
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2006-01-02

Why don't you just write your own OS and software stack? I mean, do you really want the guys at Gentoo deciding what kind of USE flags you get, like you're a pig feeding at a trough?

Or how about build your own hardware out of transistors and wires since we don't want some guy at IBM telling you how to make a computer?

Seriously, this line of thinking is insane. WTF does it matter if MPlayer happens to have some code to do encoding, which you yourself might one day need to make use of??? I mean, every piece of software has some parts that you probably don't make use of. But does it really buy you anything to not build some of those features? Does it really? Or does it just make you feel l33t that you can compile MPlayer without encoder support. I suspect it's the latter. Because USE flags really don't give you anything, except the ability to have less, with no real benefit to doing so.

Gentoo has its strengths with respect to control in other areas, such as not having so strong a policy on how the system should work. One thing that irks me about some binary distros is that they really only work well if you do the default install. Gentoo isn't like that. But it's not the USE flags that do that. The USE flags are to pull in n00bs who think they are so cool.

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RE[5]: relevancy?
by Snifflez on Mon 17th Dec 2007 06:29 in reply to "RE[4]: relevancy?"
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2005-11-15

Ah, now you're just being unreasonable. Do you always react this way when people disagree with you?

"Why don't you just write your own OS and software stack? I mean, do you really want the guys at Gentoo deciding what kind of USE flags you get, like you're a pig feeding at a trough?

Or how about build your own hardware out of transistors and wires since we don't want some guy at IBM telling you how to make a computer?"


I don't have to do that. I'm perfectly happy with Gentoo's "front-end" to ./configure utility. No need to resort to ridiculous hyperbolizing in order to make a point, wouldn't you agree?

"Seriously, this line of thinking is insane. WTF does it matter if MPlayer happens to have some code to do encoding, which you yourself might one day need to make use of???"

Yes, that would be the day when I enable the "-encode" flag and re-compile MPlayer, thank you very much.

"Or does it just make you feel l33t that you can compile MPlayer without encoder support. I suspect it's the latter."

Do not ever assume; otherwise you're liable to make an ass out of u and me. I'm a reasonable person -- must you be unreasonable, resorting to vapid, pointless and uninspired ad hominem attacks to make your point?

"Because USE flags really don't give you anything, except the ability to have less, with no real benefit to doing so."

Not "less". More like "control".

"The USE flags are to pull in n00bs who think they are so cool."

I haven't met too many "n00bs" who care about having a full control over their Linux installation, so I'm not even sure what exactly you're talking about here.

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RE[5]: relevancy?
by WereCatf on Mon 17th Dec 2007 11:13 in reply to "RE[4]: relevancy?"
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2006-02-15

Why don't you just write your own OS and software stack? I mean, do you really want the guys at Gentoo deciding what kind of USE flags you get, like you're a pig feeding at a trough?

You're really acting like an ass here.. >_> So, do you claim Gentoo doesn't give you more control over your software than binary distros or not? If you indeed claim that then you're wrong and if you don't claim that then what the heck are you complaining about?

Seriously, this line of thinking is insane. WTF does it matter if MPlayer happens to have some code to do encoding, which you yourself might one day need to make use of???

I myself usually compile MPlayer with support for everything possible just because I use it for encoding and decoding stuff.. But there are other use-cases for USE flags: I for example have omitted support for Beagle on my GNOME desktop. I did that just because I don't want Beagle consuming memory and CPU time needlessly when I won't use it anyways. The same for Qt libraries: if something is compiled with Qt support then it'll just unnecessarily waste memory (I use only GTK+ apps)

And then there's the thing about compiling IN support for stuff that isn't enabled on binary distros.. Most often they haven't enabled everything possible or something which I happen to need. Under Gentoo I can compile such features in and be done with it. On a binary distro I'd have to first install compilers and all the necessary -dev packages and then compile from source..

Because USE flags really don't give you anything, except the ability to have less, with no real benefit to doing so.

I already explained this. Either you understand or you don't.

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