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Gentoo A relatively lengthy Q&A with Ciaran McCreesh about Paludis, the Portage alternative for Gentoo.
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pepa
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2005-07-08

I set up a production server on Gentoo. I regret that now. There are other things to do,and daily emerges to keep it up to date are a scary proposition. I always stayed in the office until everyone left, so if it failed, it could be fixed. When you don't do it daily, it gets even more scary. Now it's been running solidly without updates for over a year... But I don't think it's going to survive an update now. I think Gentoo on a server is a BAD idea.

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segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

I set up a production server on Gentoo. I regret that now. There are other things to do,and daily emerges to keep it up to date are a scary proposition.

Why would you be doing daily emerges?

I always stayed in the office until everyone left, so if it failed, it could be fixed.

I'm sorry, but anybody who has to stay behind at an office and can't fit what they want to do in a 9 - 5 day has something wrong with them. It doesn't take long to emerge anything, particularly server software.

When you don't do it daily, it gets even more scary

Why?

But I don't think it's going to survive an update now.

Are you doing an emerge world or something? Why in God's name are you doing that? If you're trying to update everything on a production server, no matter what distro you use, you're an idiot.

I think Gentoo on a server is a BAD idea.

This has nothing to do with Gentoo, and everything to do with you.

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pepa Member since:
2005-07-08

Thanks for all the ad hominem, segedunumm... I never meant to offend you or hurt you. Sorry for that, I only wanted to be helpful and give some input on my experience.

Someone in this thread suggested daily emerges (world) to stay up to date...

I stayed because this server can't be down when people need to work, it can't break because an emerge causes problems.

The longer you don't emerge, the more likely there are issues that can't be resolved automatically. This is a 'feature' that all rolling release distros seem to suffer from.

Servers need security updates, and I realize that it doesn't have to be an update world. Anyway, it's working, I won't touch it.

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WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

I set up a production server on Gentoo. I regret that now. There are other things to do,and daily emerges to keep it up to date are a scary proposition. I always stayed in the office until everyone left, so if it failed, it could be fixed. When you don't do it daily, it gets even more scary. Now it's been running solidly without updates for over a year... But I don't think it's going to survive an update now. I think Gentoo on a server is a BAD idea.

I've got a server running Gentoo. It syncs the portage tree every week on Sunday via a script, updates any software I've deemed necessary to be updated and it also installs anything which glsa-check recommends to be installed. But it won't update unnecessary software, I've set it up to do the compiling in the middle of the night on the highest possible nice level.. And I just haven't installed anything unnecessary there like GUI software. And it's working like a dream. Haven't had to do anything manually for several months and haven't had any issues with it whatsoever ;)

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pepa Member since:
2005-07-08

That's great. (I also only installed what was strictly needed.) I do remember having to etc-update after most updates.

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sithgunner Member since:
2006-02-16

Take a moment and buy a new server to test the updates and everything, this goes to every other distro as well.

Doing live update on production server is at your fault. I had CentOS with Xen doing dom0 and did a live update and it broke the hell out of it... Now I'll never do it again.

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