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Gentoo A relatively lengthy Q&A with Ciaran McCreesh about Paludis, the Portage alternative for Gentoo.
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segedunum
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2005-07-06

I set up a production server on Gentoo. I regret that now. There are other things to do,and daily emerges to keep it up to date are a scary proposition.

Why would you be doing daily emerges?

I always stayed in the office until everyone left, so if it failed, it could be fixed.

I'm sorry, but anybody who has to stay behind at an office and can't fit what they want to do in a 9 - 5 day has something wrong with them. It doesn't take long to emerge anything, particularly server software.

When you don't do it daily, it gets even more scary

Why?

But I don't think it's going to survive an update now.

Are you doing an emerge world or something? Why in God's name are you doing that? If you're trying to update everything on a production server, no matter what distro you use, you're an idiot.

I think Gentoo on a server is a BAD idea.

This has nothing to do with Gentoo, and everything to do with you.

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pepa Member since:
2005-07-08

Thanks for all the ad hominem, segedunumm... I never meant to offend you or hurt you. Sorry for that, I only wanted to be helpful and give some input on my experience.

Someone in this thread suggested daily emerges (world) to stay up to date...

I stayed because this server can't be down when people need to work, it can't break because an emerge causes problems.

The longer you don't emerge, the more likely there are issues that can't be resolved automatically. This is a 'feature' that all rolling release distros seem to suffer from.

Servers need security updates, and I realize that it doesn't have to be an update world. Anyway, it's working, I won't touch it.

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segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

Thanks for all the ad hominem, segedunumm... I never meant to offend you or hurt you. Sorry for that, I only wanted to be helpful and give some input on my experience.

You're not offending me. I'm just curious why you're doing what you're doing, because if you do that with any distro and not just Gentoo then you're in for a rough time.

The longer you don't emerge, the more likely there are issues that can't be resolved automatically. This is a 'feature' that all rolling release distros seem to suffer from.

Well, the alternative is that you'll have to take the server down and install a completely updated and new version of a distro and you'll have to reproduce your install. Yes, rolling releases can present problems, but on a production server you should be leaving it as-is, and when you want to do a mass upgrade then practice on another non-essential server. Security upgrades shouldn't present a problem. Have a look at what any emerge will actually install before you do it.

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