Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 20th Dec 2007 21:42 UTC
Privacy, Security, Encryption It's the time of year again, folks. "The year 2007 has been an interesting year that brought us improved security with Windows Vista and Mac OS X Leopard (10.5). But to get some perspective of how many publicly known holes found in these two operating systems, I've compiled all the security flaws in Mac OS X and Windows XP and Vista and placed them side by side. This is significant because it shows a trend that can give us a good estimate for how many flaws we can expect to find in the coming months." Do with it as you please.
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Back in the real world..
by GStepper on Thu 20th Dec 2007 22:22 UTC
GStepper
Member since:
2006-03-08

For one macbook hacked (rewarded $10000) how many plain PCs got hacked in the real world for free ???

How long will your windows XP box can survive crusing the internet without third party tools (anti-sypware, anti-virus, real firewall...) ???

I saw the case many times at work, it's a question a minute before your screen is full a pop-up...

Is OS X more secure than windows ??? I don't know and I don't care and the author's article doesn't answer this question, instead it uses numbers to give his point of view some credit.
Sorry but I don't buy.

I use several OSes on a daily basis (mostly UNIX based) and though they all have flaws ( and related patchs, bugfixes) they are stronger (out of the box) than their windows counter parts...

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RE: Back in the real world..
by sappyvcv on Thu 20th Dec 2007 22:57 in reply to "Back in the real world.."
sappyvcv Member since:
2005-07-06

I saw the case many times at work, it's a question a minute before your screen is full a pop-up..

Sure, maybe pre-SP2.

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RE[2]: Back in the real world..
by stestagg on Fri 21st Dec 2007 00:47 in reply to "RE: Back in the real world.."
stestagg Member since:
2006-06-03

For an unpatched XP vanilla machine placed on the internet, without opening Internet Explorer, the average time before the machine is exploited, is much less than a minute.

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RE[2]: Back in the real world..
by GStepper on Fri 21st Dec 2007 01:24 in reply to "RE: Back in the real world.."
GStepper Member since:
2006-03-08

Thank you for your reply but sure I see SP2 boxes that have the same issues... (again without any third party tools). Don't get me wrong, Windows XP (never really used Vista) can be used in a secure way and can be a great system but it needs either some tweakings and/or third party tools and an educated users.

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RE: Back in the real world..
by aliquis on Fri 21st Dec 2007 01:09 in reply to "Back in the real world.."
aliquis Member since:
2005-07-23

I ran my XP box without firewall for quite some time, nothing happened, but then my ISP blocks port 135 and maybe a couple of others for what that is worth. I've also ran without antivirus and antispyware for even longer with no huge issues, but then I don't download questionable programs of which I haven't heard earlier and so on..

Anyway it doesn't matter, people run with firewall and antivirus, and just because a bunch of people haven't decided to automaticate the process of owning macs doesn't make them more secure. It still suck if you are at a risk. I would actually much rather be turned into a drone of millions used to blackmail corporations or for DDoS attacks than having someone who actually cared about my machine and data own me.

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RE[2]: Back in the real world..
by GStepper on Fri 21st Dec 2007 01:34 in reply to "RE: Back in the real world.."
GStepper Member since:
2006-03-08

Thank you for your response.

1) you had issues (your words "no huge" implies issues).
2)more important you seem to be some kind of educated user since you can detect "questionable programs".

Now you use an XP box without firewall, without AV nor AM and your not behind a router (we all now that when using a router this gives attackers more troubles) and still you never had issues... I'm sorry I don't believe you and even if you're right you certainly don't represent the vast majority of windows user I was refering to.

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