Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 4th Jan 2008 20:47 UTC
KDE KDE's Aaron Seigo (who owes me a Martini) wrote about a few often-heard misconceptions and questions regarding KDE 4.0, which is supposed to be released January 11th. "Now that 4.0.0 is tagged and out and that bit of worry and concern is behind me for the moment, I wanted to take a moment to talk really bluntly about 4.0. In particular, I'm going to address some of the common memes in fairly random order that I see about kde 3.5 and 4.0. I'm going to speak bluntly (though not rudely) so prepare yourself."
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by Hiev on Fri 4th Jan 2008 22:10 UTC
Hiev
Member since:
2005-09-27

So, when users complained aboud KDE 4.0 RC stability we were all cursed and even called ignorants, then Mr. Seigo told us to way till KDE 4.0 realease. Now KDE 4.0 is released and just confirmed our rants, and now he tell us to waith till 4.1.

Don't you love how he eats his own words?

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by RIchard James13 on Fri 4th Jan 2008 22:28 in reply to "..."
RIchard James13 Member since:
2007-10-26

He would rather blame users for their misconceptions than accept that not everyone sees the KDE 4 project in the same way he does. At least that is the way he treated me. I don't think however we should equate KDE with aseigo he is just one developer on the project, there are many others. He is just more vocal and the head developer of the cool but IMO useless plasma technology, so more people listen to him.

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by Hiev on Fri 4th Jan 2008 22:33 in reply to "RE: ..."
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by andrewg on Fri 4th Jan 2008 22:38 in reply to "RE: ..."
andrewg Member since:
2005-07-06

Did you realise he is the President of KDE e.V?

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by aseigo on Sat 5th Jan 2008 01:24 in reply to "RE: ..."
aseigo Member since:
2005-07-06

"He would rather blame users for their misconceptions than accept that not everyone sees the KDE 4 project in the same way he does."

the missing piece here is that these misconceptions are .. misconceptions. they simply aren't correct, and i don't think anyone is beholden to accept things that are manifestly wrong. you are free to continue to hold your misconceptions for as long as you wish, there's not much anyone can do about that. but don't expect me to buy into them just because you do.

"At least that is the way he treated me."

i'll admit this: i got very, very tired of the horrific attitudes some people showed in the last year. as a perceived leader i probably should have just ignored these insults, instead i replied with my own, at times emotion laden, thoughts. that was a failing on my part.

i'm sorry if i offended you.

if it's any consolation, you and people like you have offended me repeatedly over the past year for no good reason after receiving the fruits of our work for years.

"I don't think however we should equate KDE with aseigo he is just one developer on the project, there are many others."

yep, that's quite true.

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by segedunum on Sat 5th Jan 2008 00:41 in reply to "..."
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

So, when users complained aboud KDE 4.0 RC stability we were all cursed and even called ignorants

Because you don't know how release candidates are being used here and because you don't understand 'release early and release often'. Ergo, you're stupid.

...then Mr. Seigo told us to way till KDE 4.0 realease.

Did he? What exactly did he tell us to wait for?

Now KDE 4.0 is released and just confirmed our rants, and now he tell us to waith till 4.1.

No one pretended that KDE 4.0 was going to be brilliant and some sort of finished article, by whatever definition you have of the 'finished article'. More applications and features were then going to ported and developed through .1, .2, .3 etc. until we get something of really, really good quality that has been tested and used release through release and not through endless 'betas' and RCs that don't do anything for anyone. That worked great for Microsoft in terms of quality, didn't it? ;-)

The only people who are looking at 4.0 as some sort of 'big-bang' release are people like you, even when you've been told consistently otherwise. Why? Because you're stupid. There's not an awful lot you can do when you're living in a town full of stupid, other than to move out.

I'm not going to be using KDE 4.0 because I have lots of KDE 3.x desktops to look after, as he says. I didn't use 3.0 either. When I test KDE 4.x at some point I might make a decision on moving to it. How is KDE 4.0 and its worrying lack of quality and stability, as you might put it, affect me and users? Oh, that's right. It won't.

Don't you love how he eats his own words?

I'm glad you think so. Meanwhile back on planet Earth, a few people actually read the article. You'd think you had some kind of vested interest in it ;-).

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by Hiev on Sat 5th Jan 2008 00:49 in reply to "RE: ..."
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by KugelKurt on Sat 5th Jan 2008 00:49 in reply to "..."
KugelKurt Member since:
2005-07-06

"The aim of the KDE project for the 4.0 release is to put the foundations in place for future innovations on the Free Desktop."

That's a straight quote from the RC2 release notes. Older release notes read similar. KDE 4.0 is and was never intended to be a mainstream release, but a foundation for later developments -- just like basically every free software dot-oh release.

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by Hiev on Sat 5th Jan 2008 01:01 in reply to "RE: ..."
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by aseigo on Sat 5th Jan 2008 01:19 in reply to "..."
aseigo Member since:
2005-07-06

"now he tell us to waith till 4.1."

i said no such thing. if you think otherwise, please find where i said that in the article and provide a quote here.

disagree with me all you want, but at least get what i say straight.

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by marcusesq on Mon 7th Jan 2008 03:13 in reply to "..."
marcusesq Member since:
2006-01-18

As you obviously are a recent blow in on the back of the Ubuntu bandwagon, just be told that you have NO IDEA how free software releases have traditionally worked.
I'm sure there is no shortage of people on this forum who can describe to you in more detail what the early releases of gnome 2 were like yet that rebuild was not of the scale of KDE4.
Yet you wouldn't know that using gnome now.

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