Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 4th Jan 2008 20:47 UTC
KDE KDE's Aaron Seigo (who owes me a Martini) wrote about a few often-heard misconceptions and questions regarding KDE 4.0, which is supposed to be released January 11th. "Now that 4.0.0 is tagged and out and that bit of worry and concern is behind me for the moment, I wanted to take a moment to talk really bluntly about 4.0. In particular, I'm going to address some of the common memes in fairly random order that I see about kde 3.5 and 4.0. I'm going to speak bluntly (though not rudely) so prepare yourself."
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by segedunum on Sat 5th Jan 2008 00:41 UTC in reply to "..."
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So, when users complained aboud KDE 4.0 RC stability we were all cursed and even called ignorants

Because you don't know how release candidates are being used here and because you don't understand 'release early and release often'. Ergo, you're stupid.

...then Mr. Seigo told us to way till KDE 4.0 realease.

Did he? What exactly did he tell us to wait for?

Now KDE 4.0 is released and just confirmed our rants, and now he tell us to waith till 4.1.

No one pretended that KDE 4.0 was going to be brilliant and some sort of finished article, by whatever definition you have of the 'finished article'. More applications and features were then going to ported and developed through .1, .2, .3 etc. until we get something of really, really good quality that has been tested and used release through release and not through endless 'betas' and RCs that don't do anything for anyone. That worked great for Microsoft in terms of quality, didn't it? ;-)

The only people who are looking at 4.0 as some sort of 'big-bang' release are people like you, even when you've been told consistently otherwise. Why? Because you're stupid. There's not an awful lot you can do when you're living in a town full of stupid, other than to move out.

I'm not going to be using KDE 4.0 because I have lots of KDE 3.x desktops to look after, as he says. I didn't use 3.0 either. When I test KDE 4.x at some point I might make a decision on moving to it. How is KDE 4.0 and its worrying lack of quality and stability, as you might put it, affect me and users? Oh, that's right. It won't.

Don't you love how he eats his own words?

I'm glad you think so. Meanwhile back on planet Earth, a few people actually read the article. You'd think you had some kind of vested interest in it ;-).

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by Hiev on Sat 5th Jan 2008 00:49 in reply to "RE: ..."
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by KAMiKAZOW on Sat 5th Jan 2008 01:00 in reply to "RE[2]: ..."
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User: > The Release candidates and daily builds are informative enougth. aren't they?

aseigo: no, 4.0 will be.

"4.0 will be informative" is the same as "4.0 will have mainstream quality"?

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by segedunum on Sat 5th Jan 2008 01:22 in reply to "RE[2]: ..."
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I think stupid is someone who doesn't know the meaning of RC and tells the world is wrong.

How do we know when we have a Release Candidate sweetheart? At exactly what point do we know? Is it a point in time (this wasn't a time-based release), or a set of requirements you have attached to the underside of your toilet seat that tells you?

Alphas, Betas and Release Candidates, and what constitutes a major release, are defined by actual requirements, or via time-based releases, and not by you. KDE 4.0 was designed and destined to be a target development desktop platform - and it is.

People who are coming up with definitions of Release Candidates and Betas haven't got the faintest idea what they're talking about, because what they are depends totally on what the end release is actually designed to be - not on what you think it should be.

aseigo: no, 4.0 will be.

What is KDE 4.0 designed to be, exactly, and what have people been telling you that it's going to be for months? The poster in that comment thread (I Googled) is about your level - ergo, it's you. Nice one:

Oh, I forgot that aseigo is your idol, sorry, but hey sweetheart, he is just a human who happens to make misstakes too.

Whatever hinny (nicking other peoples' little phrases you find annoying, priceless. For everything else, there's Mastercard).

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