Linked by Eugenia Loli on Sat 5th Jan 2008 04:08 UTC
Multimedia, AV While this might be a bold statement, all things point to this. Blu-Ray was already winning in market share slowly but surely, and today's Warner decision to go BD-only puts the final nails into this HD format war as Warner is the biggest movie distributor. The HD-DVD Group didn't seem to know about Warner's decision and they canceled their CES conference out of the blu tonight, amidst making vague references to possible legal action. My take: I wish Blu-Ray had a region-free policy like HD-DVD does. Living in USA today but one day moving to Europe, it will have an impact in my media library.
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Blu-Ray eh?
by CowMan on Sat 5th Jan 2008 04:26 UTC
CowMan
Member since:
2006-09-26

I, for one, am not surprised. Seems Sony gamble on the PS3's has indeed worked, they have nearly all the players.

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RE: Blu-Ray eh?
by kaiwai on Sat 5th Jan 2008 08:05 in reply to "Blu-Ray eh?"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

I, for one, am not surprised. Seems Sony gamble on the PS3's has indeed worked, they have nearly all the players.


But Sony's gamble on PS3 has been nothing less than an unmitigated disaster. Compare the units sold, the fact that they once held a 70% dominance, and now XBox 360/Nintendo Wii have taken over. Interesting how there was once a view by some that Nintendo would exit the market place and Microsoft would eventually give up on XBox.

I go down the road and I certainly don't see people gravitating around PS3's at the local Harvey Norman or Noel Leemings; XBox 360 and Wii are now king.

As for BluRay vs. HD-DVD; in the end its not going to matter; very few people I see are jumping into it; the big retailers are pushing, but most are quite happy with DVD for now; heck, its only been recently that I bought a DVD recorder.

Don't assume because a large number of geeks and techno boffins here have the latest technology, it represents the rest of society. Those of us who frequent this place are lucky to represent 5-10% of the marketplace.

For almost everyone else, until there is a real killer application where by there are tangible benefits over and above traditional DVD, its not going to matter. I mean, I'm still using an old CRT 29inch television - the move to BluRay or HD-DVD would yield me nothing in the way of benefits.

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RE[2]: Blu-Ray eh?
by Eugenia on Sat 5th Jan 2008 08:07 in reply to "RE: Blu-Ray eh?"
Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

You are missing the point. While PS3's sales have not been good as a game console, they have been VERY good as an HD player! Both BD and HDDVD have sold so bad, that the "low" sales of the PS3 are so "high" compared to its competitors that were enough to give BD an edge by year's end.

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RE[2]: Blu-Ray eh?
by MamiyaOtaru on Sat 5th Jan 2008 08:58 in reply to "RE: Blu-Ray eh?"
MamiyaOtaru Member since:
2005-11-11

But Sony's gamble on PS3 has been nothing less than an unmitigated disaster. Compare the units sold, the fact that they once held a 70% dominance

I wonder which is more important to them, the console war, or the HD format war?

I mean, I'm still using an old CRT 29inch television - the move to BluRay or HD-DVD would yield me nothing in the way of benefits.

Amen. I am getting an HD TV .. probably never. Unlike some folks ("I am not a fanatic for one or the other format, they were pretty equal in entertaining me with top quality.") picture quality above a certain point is not a factor for me. I am entertained by good movies and shows and the occasional sporting event. DVD is "good enough." I'll stick with my CRT, and for special occasions the projection screen (7'), at 800x600. I don't see myself splurging to replace that unless it breaks.

The highest definition display in the house is my computer monitor, but the studios are determined that I won't be able to play HD movies on the OS of my choice, so that avenue is out as well.

Selfishly, I am hoping the format war continues indefinitely, hampering adoption and making sure the continued prevalence of plain old DVDs for me ;)

It's really amazing. I first heard of Bluray (then HD-DVD sometime later) back in college, and that was years and years ago. This transition has been a lot slower than I could have imagined.

Edited 2008-01-05 08:59

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RE[2]: Blu-Ray eh?
by DMAPacket on Sat 5th Jan 2008 09:07 in reply to "RE: Blu-Ray eh?"
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2007-09-13

That one incredibly bitter and inane post sums up the past two years absolutely perfectly.

Thank you! LOL!

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RE[2]: Blu-Ray eh?
by tyrione on Sat 5th Jan 2008 11:08 in reply to "RE: Blu-Ray eh?"
tyrione Member since:
2005-11-21

Xbox 360 sales since Nov 2005 are just over 17 million units sold. 6 million in the US. 8.1 million units of Halo sold.

PS 3 sales since Nov 2006 are approaching 6 million. Definitely third, but in the Oct - Nov 2007 sales in the US are up 285% due in part to price cuts and Wii production failures.

Wii sales since Nov 2006 are 13.17 million units with 11.86 million units sold of Wii Sports.

PS2 Sales World Wide: 120 million

Observation: NO ONE IS THE WINNER FOR THE LATEST CONSOLES.

It's just begun.

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RE[2]: Blu-Ray eh?
by aliquis on Sat 5th Jan 2008 14:18 in reply to "RE: Blu-Ray eh?"
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2005-07-23

360 have NOT taken over, last stats I saw a couple of months ago PS3 and 360 sales have been very much the same month by month on each consoles life. 360 was released earlier however so in total units it had sold more.

Part of the high price are probably due to the bluray yes, but on the other side they can have much bigger games, and I guess Sony had hoped it would have been over sooner.

360 are not "king", some people buy 360s, early 360 life had less sales than early xbox life, I don't know how it looks now, but noone would say that xbox was a total success, thought piracy helped with units sold.

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RE[2]: Blu-Ray eh?
by CowMan on Sat 5th Jan 2008 16:58 in reply to "RE: Blu-Ray eh?"
CowMan Member since:
2006-09-26

Ah, yes, perhaps a console failure. It could be nothing less, even if they sold a billion units, when they are selling below cost!

DVD's will disappear in time, though the upcoming format shift suffers from chicken-egg syndrome all over the place: Requiring HD TV's, HD players, HD titles, and to be any better than DVD, 7.1 stereo's. Oh, and really, HD TV from the sat/cable providers on some large scale as well. So, yes, for now .. and for a while.. 10%.

In time though, it will hit critical mass and DVD will become legacy. Just as, on a 13" CRT TV, the benefits of DVD are minor over VHS (no re-winding, or skippable ads...), blu-ray will still 'work' on 29" CRT's. Those of us with 42" plasma sets will get to appreciate the higher quality picture.

The whole situation is simular to IPV6. ;)

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RE[2]: Blu-Ray eh?
by vimh on Mon 7th Jan 2008 23:22 in reply to "RE: Blu-Ray eh?"
vimh Member since:
2006-02-04

Well said. Sony made a mistake trumpeting BlueRay using the PS3. Coming from a gamers perspective here, most people in my camp cares about the format, they care about the games. I've heard a number of people suggest that most PS3 owners don't eve know their console can play BlueRay movies. It wouldn't surprise me.

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