Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 8th Jan 2008 08:18 UTC, submitted by Kaj de Vos
Syllable, AtheOS After an extensive development period, the Syllable project has released Syllable Desktop 0.6.5 with improvements all over. As always there are bug fixes, most notably in USB and the network stack, leading to large reliability and performance improvements. LibUSB and SANE were ported, so there is now USB access from user space and support for scanners. There are new network and video drivers, including a unique S3 DeltaChrome driver that Arno Klenke wrote from scratch. Two new window decorators debut from John Aspras. CD burning ability is now integrated in the form of SimpleBurn and CDRTools. A new network preferences applet from Andrew Kennan was integrated, and also Arno Klenke's port of OpenBeFS. Many ports were upgraded and the system layout has been heavily reorganised. Files needed for compiling software have been split off in a separate package. This is also the release that harmonises a number of things between Syllable Desktop and Syllable Server. The full change log is here. Installation CDs, the upgrade, and images for emulators are here. Additional software can be found here.
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I cannot understand..
by fithisux on Tue 8th Jan 2008 20:12 UTC
fithisux
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2006-01-22

why Syllable and Haiku do not undertake a common kernel development(one, YES one) kernel and build their systems on top of that(common kernel != linux/bsd). They can even adopt a uKernel approach (e.g L4) since all these talented men can work together.One kernel, common drivers, different user space => two OSes.

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RE: I cannot understand..
by Vanders on Tue 8th Jan 2008 20:39 in reply to "I cannot understand.."
Vanders Member since:
2005-07-06

Mostly because we're doing different things. The NewOS kernel that the Haiku project chose to use is much closer to the BeOS kernel and it uses a license they prefer so it makes a lot of sense for them to use it. The Syllable kernel is closer to Linux and under the GPL.

Neither Syllable nor Haiku want to go back and re-write our respective kernels.

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RE: I cannot understand..
by renox on Tue 8th Jan 2008 20:46 in reply to "I cannot understand.."
renox Member since:
2005-07-06

Do you realize that both Syllable and Haiku (and yourself too because you're against it without providing explanation) suffer from a massive case of NIH syndrome by not reusing the Linux|BSD kernel?

So I doubt that they would use the same kernel: this goes against their NIH syndrome..

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RE[2]: I cannot understand..
by Vanders on Tue 8th Jan 2008 20:52 in reply to "RE: I cannot understand.."
Vanders Member since:
2005-07-06

I'm not even going to bother getting into it, but there are plenty of reasons. By your logic, Linux is a NIH kernel because Linus didn't just use the 386BSD kernel. Whatever.

Why not take a look at the software we do use instead of whining about what we don't? That wouldn't make such a good whiny argument though would it?

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RE[2]: I cannot understand..
by dagw on Wed 9th Jan 2008 13:27 in reply to "RE: I cannot understand.."
dagw Member since:
2005-07-06

Do you realize that both Syllable and Haiku (and yourself too because you're against it without providing explanation) suffer from a massive case of NIH syndrome by not reusing the Linux|BSD kernel?


The whole point of these (and other similar projects) is to try to do things better than the way it is currently done. If everybody simply reused what already existsed and no one tried to see if there was a fundamentaly better way of doing things, we'd never make any progress. What you call NIH syndrome others call Research and Progress.

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