Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 13th Jan 2008 20:09 UTC
KDE KDE 4.0.0 has been released on January 11th, after a number of delays; the months preceding the release, the KDE developers tried very hard to downplay expectations. KDE 4.0.0 was just the first release in the KDE 4 series, and such, should not be seen as the best possible representation of the KDE 4.0.0 vision. So, when I installed KDE 4.0.0 on my Ubuntu Gutsy installation last Friday, I knew what to expect: KDE 4 Developer Release 1 (yes, I am a BeOS guy - how did you know?). Read on for a few quick first impressions.
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RE[7]: More problems
by leos on Mon 14th Jan 2008 04:15 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: More problems"
leos
Member since:
2005-09-21

This is so silly to argue about cos the KDE devs are doing exactly the same now!


Well no, they're not. Features are missing in KDE 4.0, but they're missing because the devs didn't have time to implement everything, not because they didn't want to (some exceptions apply as with anything).

But, you do realize that one can simplify UI only quite little before having to remove some features?


Not necessarily. A lot can be done to reorganize an interface to make it more usable without losing features. Just look at Office 2007.

They removed features which they deemed unnecessary. KDE devs will also remove features they don't see as necessary.


Of course, some features will be removed that are deemed very obscure or hard to implement. But overall, there is no plan to remove the many features from KWin or other parts of KDE.

And well, if GNOME was that bad as you seem to claim then why are there so many GNOME users...?


Because it works great for many people. I never said it didn't. But by not having some features/options, you are losing a certain percentage of users.

Quite a few people do use GNOME to do work and aren't even planning to switch..


And way more are using Windows than any Unix desktop. ;)

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RE[8]: More problems
by WereCatf on Mon 14th Jan 2008 04:28 in reply to "RE[7]: More problems"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

Well no, they're not. Features are missing in KDE 4.0, but they're missing because the devs didn't have time to implement everything, not because they didn't want to (some exceptions apply as with anything).

Excuse me, have you even bothered to read my comments? http://www.osnews.com/permalink?295735 <- there I clearly say that I wasn't referring to KDE4.0 because I know it's very much a work-in-progress and will get better in future releases.. -.- And YES, they ARE indeed planning to simplify the UI and remove unnecessary functionality! Just go ask the devs for fsck sake if you think I'm lying, they'll just confirm what I am saying as true.. >_>

But by not having some features/options, you are losing a certain percentage of users.

And too much functionality creates clutter which also means losing a certain percentage of users. Which the KDE devs are trying to lessen by simplifying the UI..

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RE[9]: More problems
by leos on Mon 14th Jan 2008 04:51 in reply to "RE[8]: More problems"
leos Member since:
2005-09-21

Well no, they're not. Features are missing in KDE 4.0, but they're missing because the devs didn't have time to implement everything, not because they didn't want to (some exceptions apply as with anything).

Excuse me, have you even bothered to read my comments?


Yep.

And YES, they ARE indeed planning to simplify the UI and remove unnecessary functionality! Just go ask the devs for fsck sake if you think I'm lying, they'll just confirm what I am saying as true..


Right... So the devs spent a whole lot of time porting features to Qt4 and the new libs just so they could remove them in the future? Bull. If you have the chance to revamp everything, you're not going to drag along features you know to be unneccessary.

Sure, some KDE3 features/options won't show up in KDE 4, but don't expect much that is currently there to be removed.

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