Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 13th Jan 2008 20:09 UTC
KDE KDE 4.0.0 has been released on January 11th, after a number of delays; the months preceding the release, the KDE developers tried very hard to downplay expectations. KDE 4.0.0 was just the first release in the KDE 4 series, and such, should not be seen as the best possible representation of the KDE 4.0.0 vision. So, when I installed KDE 4.0.0 on my Ubuntu Gutsy installation last Friday, I knew what to expect: KDE 4 Developer Release 1 (yes, I am a BeOS guy - how did you know?). Read on for a few quick first impressions.
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RE[8]: More problems
by sbergman27 on Mon 14th Jan 2008 13:35 UTC in reply to "RE[7]: More problems"
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Yup.. I'd say Gnome needs at least a dozen features from KDE before I could use it happily... Luckily I don't have to whinge at the Gnome devs because there is already another option.

I would be interested in what some or all of those needed features might be. If you care to, could you post a list?

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RE[9]: More problems
by leos on Mon 14th Jan 2008 16:03 in reply to "RE[8]: More problems"
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I would be interested in what some or all of those needed features might be. If you care to, could you post a list?

I have some screenshots I made while I was using Gnome at work, which I don't have access to at the moment, but off the top of my head.

- Alt-Right click drag to resize a window, anywhere on that window. I often resize windows, and I hate having to target the window border to do this.
- A better file selector dialog. The autocompletion when typing paths is annoying (it will complete entries for you automatically, which makes it impossible to type quickly)
- Also need more functions in the file selector dialog, like creating directories, renaming files, etc.
- A better window manager. Different mouse clicks on the maximize button to maximize vertically/horizontally only (I use this a lot actually, and compiz has it now). Also allow moving the window title buttons (min/max/close), this is because I put the minimize in the top left so I can reach it instantly in maximized windows. Also the placement of new windows seems to be lacking (placement for minimum overlap and such).
- Better run dialog (although in this case, KDE is just as bad, if not worse. Linux doesn't have a good keyboard launcher at all.
- Reversed button order. This is not just aesthetics and habit, the reversed button order messes with Tab order. For example, in Firefox the password dialog tab order is: Username, password, Save password checkbox, Cancel, Ok. So tabbing through you have to tab past cancel to get to Ok which makes no sense and wastes time.
- Spatial browsing. Yes I know it can be disabled somehow, but I can't be bothered to search the net to figure out how.
- Lack of libraries makes apps inconsistent. Toolbars are different from app to app, support for gnomevfs varies, etc.
- Increasing use of Mono.

Thats all I can think of at the moment without gnome in front of me, and I fully realize that most of these things will never be changed in Gnome because it's not how that UI works. Nothing wrong with that, that's why we have many projects after all ;)

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RE[10]: More problems
by apoclypse on Mon 14th Jan 2008 17:25 in reply to "RE[9]: More problems"
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I happen to like th ereverse button order. People don't seem to complain about it on OSX so I don't really see it as an issue.

As for the completion when typing in the location bar, if you keep typing the auto-complete won't get in the way, its just there to suggest what you are looking for, but because it stays highlighted you can still keep on typing.

The file selector is a piece of crap honestly. What I look for in a a file selector is s mini version of the file manager and the file selector is severely lacking in certain areas.

Lack of consistency between apps is also an issue I agree with you on.

Spatial browsing isn't really all that bad, but turning it off shouldn't be all that hard. Its just a matter of opening gconf-editor go to apps then nautilus and look through the options there. Gconf-editor is NOT the registry editor, its not that bad. Everything is clearly labeled and named in a coherent user friendly manner. Changing options there only require you to check boxes on or off for the most part.

The run dialog isn't great but that is what the deskbar applet is for. If you have a decent backend (I use tracker) you can use the deskbar as a launcher. You can change the shortcut to open with ctrl-space like in OSX, it works pretty well for the most part. Though I think the one in KDE4 is much better and it seems to know what you are looking for better than the deskbar applet.

I've personally never had major issues with Metacity, but my needs are simple and I don't really need to do anything more complicated than the basics. BTW, You can also set the horizontal and vertical maximize options in the gconf-editor.

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RE[10]: More problems
by Kitty on Tue 15th Jan 2008 11:54 in reply to "RE[9]: More problems"
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- Alt-Right click drag to resize a window, anywhere on that window. I often resize windows, and I hate having to target the window border to do this.

After about 10 seconds of tests, it seems to me that you do that in Gnome ( or at least in Metacity) by Alt+Middle click dragging.

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