Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 14th Jan 2008 14:41 UTC, submitted by superstoned
KDE "I think it's really necessary to respond to some criticism seen on the reactions to the latest OSnews article. I won't go into the article itself, imho it's rather negative, but hey. From an user's perspective, it makes sense to only review 3 or 4 parts of KDE 4 and complain about them, and ignore all the other brilliant pieces of work in there, right? On to the responses, I found this reaction by dagw to be the most typical. Well. That's painful. So, is he right? Did we make the wrong decision? Let's look at it from a broader perspective for a while. Let's see it in the Grand Scheme of Things to Come."
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This Is Ridiculous
by jlacroix on Tue 15th Jan 2008 01:06 UTC
jlacroix
Member since:
2006-08-30

I can't believe some of the comments I'm reading here.

KDE4 basically has a large bold printed sticker on it that told us all what it is and what it isn't. It let us know in advance that this release is just the introduction of the platform and is not for day to day use.

This warning I speak of was posted at this very site:

"KDE 4.0 is the first release of "KDE 4", but take note that the developers have clearly stated that KDE 4.0 is not KDE 4, but more of a base release with all the underlying systems ready to go, but with still a lot of work to be done on the user-visible side."

For a figure of the press to not only ignore that statement but to write an article disregarding it is a testament to the sad state of the world we live in today.

That's kind of like smoking, getting cancer, and complaining about it even though that person ignored the warning ads posted all over billboards all over the world.

If KDE 4.0 bothers you that much, start filling out bug reports and wishlists. Help make it better. Put your money where your mouth is and help the KDE community out instead of ridicule it.

I am deploying KDE4 on every desktop I use, putting it through its paces, and filling out bug reports for everything I can think of. It's the only way KDE4 will become the desktop I want it to be.

And Thom, Aaron Seigo doesn't owe you a martini for missing the release date, you owe him at least ten for all the crap you put the poor man through. Seriously, this rivalry you have with him does not need to take place on this site, it's just plain childish.

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RE: This Is Ridiculous
by jasutton on Tue 15th Jan 2008 01:51 in reply to "This Is Ridiculous"
jasutton Member since:
2006-03-28

still a lot of work to be done on the user-visible side

First off, head on over to the KDE website. Notice that they are offering KDE 4.0 as the stable version for download. If the user-visible side of it "still [needs] a lot of work" then why are they releasing it as stable?

The major point that Thom has been trying to make is that it makes much more sense to make a "Developer Release" (or something similar) until all the UI elements stabilize.

Imagine if you had never used KDE before, and you decided to install KDE right when version 4.0 came out. Wouldn't you expect a project as well respected as KDE in it's fourth major revision to have a product in which you can make simple configuration changes to the core UI elements (panel, desktop, etc)?

Secondly, you've got a lot of nerve telling Thom what not to put on his site. ;)

Edited 2008-01-15 01:53 UTC

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RE[2]: This Is Ridiculous
by melkor on Tue 15th Jan 2008 12:33 in reply to "RE: This Is Ridiculous"
melkor Member since:
2006-12-16

*shakes his head*.

Seriously - how *many* Linux people are going to download KDE 4 from the KDE website and compile it manually? Very few I suspect. The vast majority of people will have enough common sense to wait until it reaches the package repositories for their distribution of choice (i.e. experimental for Debian) and they'll install it that way.

So, bitching about the KDE website saying it's stable is idiotic imho, when few people will actually get a hold of KDE 4 that way.

What don't people understand about a stable technology release, that might not have all the bells and whistles?

Let's have an analogy here...think of the US rocket program in the 50s/60s. Let's take the stance that Thom, and others are saying - don't release rockets until the technology is stable enough. Instead of man landing on the moon in 1969, they probably would still not have done so by now, given that approach!

Gee...why do some people seek to deliberately misrepresent what KDE devs have said for a long time? Do you get some devilish fun out of it? Are you bored? Do you have attention span issues?

Get over it...

Dave

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RE: This Is Ridiculous
by s-peter on Tue 15th Jan 2008 01:53 in reply to "This Is Ridiculous"
s-peter Member since:
2006-01-29


KDE4 basically has a large bold printed sticker on it that told us all what it is and what it isn't. It let us know in advance that this release is just the introduction of the platform and is not for day to day use.


Unfortunately that sticker can not be found anywhere at the official KDE download page ( http://www.kde.org/download/ ). That fictitious sticker only exists for people following these discussions at OSNews and other sites. Most potential users will never read these. They will hear that there has been a new major release for this free desktop environment, will download whatever is provided and draw their conclusions. And I am fairly sure that the vast majority of users will expect a brand new DE to allow them to resize their taskbars.

Calling the release a 3.9 or a Developer Preview or whatever would have been an obvious way to prevent these users from getting the wrong impression, while giving the opportunity for pro users like you to test and report bugs.

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RE[2]: This Is Ridiculous
by KugelKurt on Tue 15th Jan 2008 16:34 in reply to "RE: This Is Ridiculous"
KugelKurt Member since:
2005-07-06

Unfortunately that sticker can not be found anywhere at the official KDE download page ( http://www.kde.org/download/ ).

You mean the download page that only offers source code for download?
kde.org is not meant for common users. It's for developers.

That fictitious sticker only exists for people following these discussions at OSNews and other sites. Most potential users will never read these.

Stop lying. The KDE website says (and I quote): "The aim of the KDE project for the 4.0 release is to put the foundations in place for future innovations on the Free Desktop."
http://kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0-beta3.php
http://kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0-beta4.php
http://kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0-rc1.php
http://kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0-rc2.php

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