Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 21st Jan 2008 18:22 UTC
KDE Ars reviews KDE 4.0.0: "KDE 4.0 was officially released last week after extensive development. The long-awaited 4.0 release ushers in a new era for the popular open-source desktop environment and adds many intriguing new features and technologies. Unfortunately, the release comes with almost as many new bugs as it does features, and there is much work to be done before it sparkles like the 3.5.x series." They were also at the KDE 4.0 release event.
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Agree
by quenturi on Tue 22nd Jan 2008 14:02 UTC
quenturi
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2006-04-10

I agree with the author about most observations. I have tested KDE 4.0 on kubuntu and I'm quite disappointed. Meanwhile, I'm explained over and over by Aaron Seigo and other smart people that KDE 4.0 is not KDE 4. I'm also told that underlying technologies are very promising.
Well, about that last point, since I'm an optimistic person I want to believe it is true.
Now, I just want to say this: in my humble opinion, users, I mean 'real' users (you know the so-called Joe) don't give a dam about that childish war 4.0/4 and the debate about alpha, beta, RC, developer releases is nowhere among their priorities. All they want is something that work and possibly something appealing and looking nice.
Actually KDE 4.0 fails in both ways. Right now, it is a technology preview and even that point is not quite a success because as such it also fails to show off all the gorgeous future KDE 4 or 4.0 is supposed to bring out.
I have no doubt, KDE will get better starting from that present state. It's just a pity it's not ready for users right now.

My two cents about the GUI: it looks terrible. No consistency, no elegance, eveything look bold, most desktop and interface 'elements' are oversized, wrong default font, too much use of bold fonts, mix of big and tiny icons in the panel is awful. I stop here, I could go on and on for a very long time.
Of course, it's just MY opinion but please, please, ask independant GUI designers, fresh and new people, people not working already for KDE, ask them what they think and what is good or not. Just ask them. There are tons of students in design schools you could ask for that.
And don't give me the 'you can change everything if you don't like it'. Sure it's nice to be able to do so BUT most users don't go further than changing the background so KDE needs a strong and nice default look. It's essential. The technology may sound nice but if it's wrapped into the wrong package most people won't come to it.

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RE: Agree
by da_Chicken on Tue 22nd Jan 2008 17:50 in reply to "Agree"
da_Chicken Member since:
2006-01-01

My two cents about the GUI: it looks terrible. No consistency, no elegance, eveything look bold, most desktop and interface 'elements' are oversized, wrong default font, too much use of bold fonts, mix of big and tiny icons in the panel is awful. I stop here, I could go on and on for a very long time.
Of course, it's just MY opinion

Well, I think Oxygen looks fresh, beautiful, and elegant. The article writer seems to like it too.


And don't give me the 'you can change everything if you don't like it'.

Still, take a look at the Bespin theme that the article mentions. Maybe you'll like it more than Oxygen. One of the many usability enhancements in KDE4 is that downloading new themes is now trivially easy.
http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Bespin?content=63928

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RE[2]: Agree
by da_Chicken on Tue 22nd Jan 2008 19:31 in reply to "RE: Agree"
da_Chicken Member since:
2006-01-01

One of the many usability enhancements in KDE4 is that downloading new themes is now trivially easy.

Oops, that is not correct. I was thinking of the wallpaper downloader that is now integrated to the Plasma desktop. Hopefully the other aspects of desktop look get soon similar integration.

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RE[2]: Agree
by quenturi on Wed 23rd Jan 2008 02:07 in reply to "RE: Agree"
quenturi Member since:
2006-04-10


Still, take a look at the Bespin theme that the article mentions. Maybe you'll like it more than Oxygen. One of the many usability enhancements in KDE4 is that downloading new themes is now trivially easy.
http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Bespin?content=63928



I do know Bespin and found it superior to Oxygen.
However I would not call bespin 'trivially easy to download' and install if I may add since Joe User should go through SVN and compile the whole thing according to bespin homepage: http://cloudcity.sourceforge.net/download.php

Of course, bespin is still in beta stage. Like most kde4 themes by the way. I'm sure there will be plenty of themes in a 'I hope' near future. But anyway that wasn't my point. My point was I feel they have made wrong choices about the whole default look and UI, not only the theme, but the bold font everywhere, the default font, the size of that thing supposed to replace the kicker, the border surrounding icons with three tiny icons which make desktop icons look like aircraft carriers, the gigantic clock, the taskbar with both a huge icon and text which looks completely lost aside the icon, etc.

And again I would be happy to hear from independant and non linked to any open source projects, graphic or UI designers about KDE 4.0 interface because I feel many points are deeply wrong.

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