Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 21st Jan 2008 18:22 UTC
Ars reviews KDE 4.0.0: "KDE 4.0 was officially released last week after extensive development. The long-awaited 4.0 release ushers in a new era for the popular open-source desktop environment and adds many intriguing new features and technologies. Unfortunately, the release comes with almost as many new bugs as it does features, and there is much work to be done before it sparkles like the 3.5.x series." They were also at the KDE 4.0 release event.
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RE[12]: Comments Unfair
by sbergman27 on Wed 23rd Jan 2008 04:36
in reply to "RE[11]: Comments Unfair"
Member since:2005-07-24
about the quality of something you don't seem well suited to judge
Let me make absolutely certain that I'm clear on this point:
KDE is intended to be a DE usable by regular users. But you believe that to be qualified to judge whether it should have been released for general consumption, one must possess a deep technical knowledge and have hands on experience with the development of large projects. Correct? And you don't think that there is anything nonsensical about that position?
Member since:2006-04-04
Let me make absolutely certain that I'm clear on this point:
something you don't seem to mind when you're making the points but back away from when other request the same of you... but I digress...
KDE is intended to be a DE usable by regular users.
Yup. And if a regular user grabs a distro and picks KDE as the DE they'll get a powerful, configurable, feature rich desktop. KDE 3.5.
But you believe that to be qualified to judge whether it should have been released for general consumption (emphasis added)
Where is it available for general consumption??? From source? from dev builds in a few distros? This is not an operating system that comes pre-installed on computers from best buy and will be in the hands of joe uers hours after its tagged. You keep trying to phrase the discussion in terms of commercial software when that just doesn't apply to a community developed project that will by and large be deployed to the users through 3rd parties. If you go to the KDE web site and go to the download section http://kde.org/download/ you'll see a list of distros that package dev builds and source code. How is this 'generally available'? Without the (repeated) statements of the developers the very nature of what you have to do to get 4.0 alone should indicate to you that it's not available for general consumption yet. But it is feature complete, there are no show stoppers and there is an audience for it, so it was time to release.
one must possess a deep technical knowledge and have hands on experience with the development of large projects. Correct? And you don't think that there is anything nonsensical about that position?
your original assumptions were flawed so your conclusion above is invalid.
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2006-04-04
I'm already kicking myself for hitting reply...
Site one. The worst I did was call into question your judgement and portray your public efforts in a negative light. You do of course see the hypocrisy in complaining about that don't you?
Its more than just language specifics, though of course understanding those is important. Its about introducing a large scale rewrite of very large, publicly developed project to all of the downstream people who need access to it in a stable way. The least numerous but noisiest of these people being the 'DE enthusiasts'.
And unfortunately yes, the specifics of development of this type of project are important and if you don't know enough about them then maybe you should restrain from commenting so voluminously and so vehemntly, especially in the face of repeated correction.
Oh heavens, stuck with not being able to change the panel size? How long was it from 2.0 until GNOME could right click on a menu and edit it? Where were the drivers in Vista? In any software project of this scale you will never get immediate feature parity with such a mature, feature complete code base as kde3.5. This is a testament to the progress made in 3.5 not a slight against 4.
For someone so free with the vitriol when they're dishing it out to others you get remarkably thin skin when a little of it comes back your way.
I'm sorry that that was all you managed to pick up and that it makes no sense to you. Maybe someone else can do a better job of walking you through it, but I honestly think this is a 'lead a horse to water but can't make him drink' case.
again, call into question the professional pride of others, cast dispersions on their character and work. Ok to dish it out but quick to complain when you receive it.
You are more than welcome to feel any way you like about it, but in light of what has been explained repeatedly about who the .0's intended audience is, when you come out in public, ignore what has been said numerous time and then continuously cast dispersions about the quality of something you don't seem well suited to judge, a perception that is hard not to make reading your posts, then don't be surprised to be called on it.
For it's intended audience, 4.0 is wonderful. Its a delight to develop on and was delivered not a moment to soon. Sorry you don't feel that way, but don't expect a warm reception when you go out trying to rain on others parades.