Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 29th Jan 2008 23:10 UTC, submitted by friendly.daemon@googlemail.com
FreeBSD "In December 2003, I wrote a script for remotely upgrading a linux system to FreeBSD. I gave it a catchy name ('Depenguinator', inspired by the 'Antichickenator' in Baldur's Gate), announced it on a FreeBSD mailing list and on Slashdot, and before long it was famous. Unfortunately, it didn't take long for changes in the layout of FreeBSD releases to make the Depenguination script stop working; so for the past three years I have been receiving emails asking me to update it to work with newer FreeBSD releases." And now it's back.
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RE[6]: Broken for 3 years ...
by Moulinneuf on Thu 31st Jan 2008 18:48 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Broken for 3 years ..."
Moulinneuf
Member since:
2005-07-06

"I don't really see"

Can't make a blind men see ...

"they have the right to decide how they want things done."

No , or they need to stop complaining that GNU/Linux is more widely used , distributed , supported , etc ... Because the fault for it is themself.

"I don't really hear that from the BSD's"

your deaf too ?

"maybe Theo, but he doesn't speak for everyone."

Right , project leaders speak only for themself and everyone is jumping in to tell him he is wrong ...

"And it is irresponsible to officially support a script that can change a computers OS remotely."

BSD security is best handled by letting other's handle it , and that it stay broken ... People have trouble installing BSD but yet a tool that could help change that is best left hidden for **pseudo** security sake ?

BSD logic at work here. ( Meaning it's illogical )

"I think it's pretty dangerous, and there are better ways (not easier) to build a FreeBSD system."

Shock , horror , gasp !! Something that install a FreeBSD system remotely over GNU/Linux to help with replacing it that is easier !!!

All BSD must unite to stop such a thing ...

People don't believe me when I say the BSD are against having more people using BSD or make life easier for those who want to try it but don't know how.

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BluenoseJake Member since:
2005-08-11

"Right , project leaders speak only for themself and everyone is jumping in to tell him he is wrong .."

Theo is only project leader for OpenBSD. Not FreeBSD, NetBSD, or any other BSD.

"BSD security is best handled by letting other's handle it , and that it stay broken ... People have trouble installing BSD but yet a tool that could help change that is best left hidden for **pseudo** security sake ?

BSD logic at work here. ( Meaning it's illogical )"

That is a ridiculous argument.

"Shock , horror , gasp !! Something that install a FreeBSD system remotely over GNU/Linux to help with replacing it that is easier !!!"

It's bad practice, if you ask me. If something goes wrong, you aren't there to fix it, and then you have no options left, you have a hosed system instead of a working one, and you aren't even there to fix it. It's a stupid idea.

"People don't believe me when I say the BSD are against having more people using BSD or make life easier for those who want to try it but don't know how."

People don't believe you because you make arguments with no real information to back them up. For people who want to use BSD in a more Linux like manner, there is DesktopBSD, PC-BSD and others.

Contrary to popular belief, a graphical installer does not magically make an OS easier to install. BSD is already quite easy to install, just as easy as Windows 2000 or XP, and adding applications is very easy. I would like to see a live-cd, and hopefully that will come.

The changes in FreeBSD has been immense since I started using it (FreeBSD 4.9) They are moving forward, and making good progress.

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Moulinneuf Member since:
2005-07-06

"Theo is only project leader for OpenBSD. Not FreeBSD, NetBSD, or any other BSD."

No , Theo is the current leader for all BSD. Because you don't see , hear or most people evn know the name of the other's. Theo is more harmfull then people know.

Theo is a lot like Linus Torvalds , except LT is not surrounded by people who let him say and do what he wants , who let him in control of things he clearly don't grasp or should be doing.

"That is a ridiculous argument."

No your's is , it's even proven as false. Security is not made by leaving something out and unmaintained.

"It's bad ... It's a stupid idea."

Why ? Because then someone would need to man phone to actually offer support over the phone or over skype or remotely connect if the problem is some driver ? God forbid that people could be hired to go on site or send UPS bag triple ways send client - receive support - return client ...

God forbid they made money at it and re-invest some in new development.

"People don't believe you because you make arguments with no real information to back them up."

No , people want me to do the job and fix the problem for free. Also that I Shut-Up too.

"For people who want to use BSD in a more Linux like manner, there is DesktopBSD, PC-BSD and others."

You just showed your incompetence on the subject. GNU/Linux is actaully at it's weakest on the desktop even do it's the first mainstream OS by usage and first by
income but lack OEM sale visibility.

"Contrary to popular belief, a graphical installer does not magically make an OS easier to install."

What if your wrong ? Better yet you are wrong !

"BSD is already quite easy to install,"

You got 20$ , you got a computer , you got a BSD OS.
go to a neighboor and tell him your going to pay him 20$ to install BSD. You cant help him at all. That might change your views on things.

You will have to learn that not everybody is as smart or as knowledgeable and has as much facility as you with installing OS.

"just as easy as Windows 2000 or XP"

There is no big brand named OEM system shipping with BSD at all , yet in your false view of the world somehow BSD will be able to beat the version of windows XP and Windows 2000 that is a rescue CD and install just as easy ...

Windows XP/2000 was Factory modified to work with the Computer it shipped with. They had access to the hardware in the prototype stage that means 2 - 3 years before it hit market.

"and adding applications is very easy. I would like to see a live-cd, and hopefully that will come."

http://www.freesbie.org/ ???

as opposed to

http://www.frozentech.com/content/livecd.php

"The changes in ... making good progress."

I would like to know what bizarre measure of success you use to say that since 2003 BSD as made good progress. But hey it got created in 2003 , no wait it's been around since the 70's ...

In 1990 useable computer where 3000$
in 1995 useable computer where 2500$
in 2000 useable computer where 2000$
in 2002 useable computer where 1000$
in 2004 useable computer where 800$
in 2005 useable computer where 600$
in 2006 useable computer where 400$
in 2007 useable computer where 300$

It's 2008 and there are useable computer sold 200$ or less new.

The price going down more people have acess to computers because they can afford it. The BSD number of user's as actually declined , dramatically , because to be the same it had to minimum increase by a multiple of 2 each years , it did not.

Educate yourself about shift and numbers :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljbI-363A2Q

BTW GNU/Linux at it's is stronguest in Bric country :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRIC

The real goal of an OS is to replace another. Blocking ways that help achieve that goal is only damaging to the OS that do the blocking.

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