Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 29th Jan 2008 23:10 UTC, submitted by friendly.daemon@googlemail.com
FreeBSD "In December 2003, I wrote a script for remotely upgrading a linux system to FreeBSD. I gave it a catchy name ('Depenguinator', inspired by the 'Antichickenator' in Baldur's Gate), announced it on a FreeBSD mailing list and on Slashdot, and before long it was famous. Unfortunately, it didn't take long for changes in the layout of FreeBSD releases to make the Depenguination script stop working; so for the past three years I have been receiving emails asking me to update it to work with newer FreeBSD releases." And now it's back.
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RE[8]: Broken for 3 years ...
by Moulinneuf on Fri 1st Feb 2008 10:50 UTC in reply to "RE[7]: Broken for 3 years ..."
Moulinneuf
Member since:
2005-07-06

"Theo is only project leader for OpenBSD. Not FreeBSD, NetBSD, or any other BSD."

No , Theo is the current leader for all BSD. Because you don't see , hear or most people evn know the name of the other's. Theo is more harmfull then people know.

Theo is a lot like Linus Torvalds , except LT is not surrounded by people who let him say and do what he wants , who let him in control of things he clearly don't grasp or should be doing.

"That is a ridiculous argument."

No your's is , it's even proven as false. Security is not made by leaving something out and unmaintained.

"It's bad ... It's a stupid idea."

Why ? Because then someone would need to man phone to actually offer support over the phone or over skype or remotely connect if the problem is some driver ? God forbid that people could be hired to go on site or send UPS bag triple ways send client - receive support - return client ...

God forbid they made money at it and re-invest some in new development.

"People don't believe you because you make arguments with no real information to back them up."

No , people want me to do the job and fix the problem for free. Also that I Shut-Up too.

"For people who want to use BSD in a more Linux like manner, there is DesktopBSD, PC-BSD and others."

You just showed your incompetence on the subject. GNU/Linux is actaully at it's weakest on the desktop even do it's the first mainstream OS by usage and first by
income but lack OEM sale visibility.

"Contrary to popular belief, a graphical installer does not magically make an OS easier to install."

What if your wrong ? Better yet you are wrong !

"BSD is already quite easy to install,"

You got 20$ , you got a computer , you got a BSD OS.
go to a neighboor and tell him your going to pay him 20$ to install BSD. You cant help him at all. That might change your views on things.

You will have to learn that not everybody is as smart or as knowledgeable and has as much facility as you with installing OS.

"just as easy as Windows 2000 or XP"

There is no big brand named OEM system shipping with BSD at all , yet in your false view of the world somehow BSD will be able to beat the version of windows XP and Windows 2000 that is a rescue CD and install just as easy ...

Windows XP/2000 was Factory modified to work with the Computer it shipped with. They had access to the hardware in the prototype stage that means 2 - 3 years before it hit market.

"and adding applications is very easy. I would like to see a live-cd, and hopefully that will come."

http://www.freesbie.org/ ???

as opposed to

http://www.frozentech.com/content/livecd.php

"The changes in ... making good progress."

I would like to know what bizarre measure of success you use to say that since 2003 BSD as made good progress. But hey it got created in 2003 , no wait it's been around since the 70's ...

In 1990 useable computer where 3000$
in 1995 useable computer where 2500$
in 2000 useable computer where 2000$
in 2002 useable computer where 1000$
in 2004 useable computer where 800$
in 2005 useable computer where 600$
in 2006 useable computer where 400$
in 2007 useable computer where 300$

It's 2008 and there are useable computer sold 200$ or less new.

The price going down more people have acess to computers because they can afford it. The BSD number of user's as actually declined , dramatically , because to be the same it had to minimum increase by a multiple of 2 each years , it did not.

Educate yourself about shift and numbers :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljbI-363A2Q

BTW GNU/Linux at it's is stronguest in Bric country :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRIC

The real goal of an OS is to replace another. Blocking ways that help achieve that goal is only damaging to the OS that do the blocking.

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RE[9]: Broken for 3 years ...
by hamster on Sun 3rd Feb 2008 15:30 in reply to "RE[8]: Broken for 3 years ..."
hamster Member since:
2006-10-06

I should know better but here goes..

"Theo is only project leader for OpenBSD. Not FreeBSD, NetBSD, or any other BSD."

No , Theo is the current leader for all BSD. Because you don't see , hear or most people evn know the name of the other's. Theo is more harmfull then people know.


You really like to show that you know nothing about the bsd's don't you?


Theo is a lot like Linus Torvalds , except LT is not surrounded by people who let him say and do what he wants , who let him in control of things he clearly don't grasp or should be doing.


And yet Theo is the leader of a successful project.


"That is a ridiculous argument."

No your's is , it's even proven as false. Security is not made by leaving something out and unmaintained.


And your some kind of security expert?


"It's bad ... It's a stupid idea."

Why ? Because then someone would need to man phone to actually offer support over the phone or over skype or remotely connect if the problem is some driver ? God forbid that people could be hired to go on site or send UPS bag triple ways send client - receive support - return client ...

God forbid they made money at it and re-invest some in new development.


You clearly don't work with any kind of administration of production systems. If you did you would know why it's a bad idea to hose a system you don't have easily access to.


"People don't believe you because you make arguments with no real information to back them up."

No , people want me to do the job and fix the problem for free. Also that I Shut-Up too.


I don't really believe anyone wants you to fix their systems. Your comments show lack of understanding in anyway posible way.


"For people who want to use BSD in a more Linux like manner, there is DesktopBSD, PC-BSD and others."

You just showed your incompetence on the subject. GNU/Linux is actaully at it's weakest on the desktop even do it's the first mainstream OS by usage and first by income but lack OEM sale visibility.


Yeah sure blame the oem's for the lack of linux uptake. Wonder who will have to take the blame when linux doesnt get more uptake even if HP and the rest shows a little interest in selling linux pc's.


"Contrary to popular belief, a graphical installer does not magically make an OS easier to install."

What if your wrong ? Better yet you are wrong !


How about you just for once try to back your "arguments" up with facts?


"BSD is already quite easy to install,"

You got 20$ , you got a computer , you got a BSD OS.
go to a neighboor and tell him your going to pay him 20$ to install BSD. You cant help him at all. That might change your views on things.

You will have to learn that not everybody is as smart or as knowledgeable and has as much facility as you with installing OS.


If you can read the documentation it's pretty strait forward to install any OS.


"just as easy as Windows 2000 or XP"

There is no big brand named OEM system shipping with BSD at all , yet in your false view of the world somehow BSD will be able to beat the version of windows XP and Windows 2000 that is a rescue CD and install just as easy ...

Windows XP/2000 was Factory modified to work with the Computer it shipped with. They had access to the hardware in the prototype stage that means 2 - 3 years before it hit market.


What does that have to do with anything? Atleast reply to what you qoute. And so what if there arent any big oem's shipping any of the bsd's? How many has fallen for the linux hype and ships that?

And please do show the numbers that you have the shows the fall in numbers of *BSD users.


"The changes in ... making good progress."

[i]I would like to know what bizarre measure of success you use to say that since 2003 BSD as made good progress. But hey it got created in 2003 , no wait it's been around since the 70's ...

In 1990 useable computer where 3000$
in 1995 useable computer where 2500$
in 2000 useable computer where 2000$
in 2002 useable computer where 1000$
in 2004 useable computer where 800$
in 2005 useable computer where 600$
in 2006 useable computer where 400$
in 2007 useable computer where 300$

It's 2008 and there are useable computer sold 200$ or less new.



The price going down more people have acess to computers because they can afford it. The BSD number of user's as actually declined , dramatically , because to be the same it had to minimum increase by a multiple of 2 each years , it did not.


Do your self and all others a favor and stop making shit up. It would might actually posible to believe anything you write if you did'nt make up lies to make your stories true. None of the bsd's are from the 70's. They all started in the early 90's. But hey why bother with facts when you can make up your own version of history.


BTW GNU/Linux at it's is stronguest in Bric country :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRIC


Don't the let fact that your usual stuff to back your "arguments" up are saying other things then you want it to say when other people read it. Do back this up aswell.


The real goal of an OS is to replace another. Blocking ways that help achieve that goal is only damaging to the OS that do the blocking.


Who says it should be the goal of an OS to replace other OS'? You? Who gives a rats ass about what your saying? And what OS is blocking another OS and how?

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