Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 1st Feb 2008 10:44 UTC, submitted by Michael Larabel
Intel At the Linux.Conf.Au conference today, Intel has announced NDA-free programming documentation covering the 965 Express and G35 Express IGPs. Intel's display driver has long been open-source, but up until now, they have not been releasing the programming documentation for these products to the public. This move comes months after AMD announced their new open-source strategy and began releasing register documentation on their R500 and R600 GPUs. These newly released documents by Intel even cover 3D and video programming for their IGPs.
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RE: NVIDIA
by kaiwai on Fri 1st Feb 2008 12:19 UTC in reply to "NVIDIA"
kaiwai
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2005-07-06

I was thinking the same thing; how long will it be before we start to see OEM's punish Nvidia by not having their products by default on their lineups? The next generation of Intel products are really going to give the market a good shake up - ATI coming from the top, Intel coming from the bottom, and Nvidia sitting in the middle refusing to play ball with end users, OEM's and opensource programmers.

Binary drivers for Linux (and other *NIX) was ok, but ATI and Intel have raised the bar, its about time that Nvidia raised the bar further and not only make their specifications and code open, but actually dedicate programming resources to work with the opensource community.

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RE[2]: NVIDIA
by Oliver on Fri 1st Feb 2008 13:08 in reply to "RE: NVIDIA"
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2006-07-15

Intel does open source since a long time, this is just the documentation for the source. AMD/ATI is in a inferior situation, but nVidia doesn't need such manoveurs. So if there is a need for nVidia, they will certainly do it at once.

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RE[3]: NVIDIA
by kaiwai on Fri 1st Feb 2008 17:28 in reply to "RE[2]: NVIDIA"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

How is Intel in an inferior situation, they have 30% of the marketplace - not too bad if you ask me.

The largest growing segment is the mobile segment, Intel has that market cornered by Intel, ergo, Intel will be running most of the machines in future.

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RE[2]: NVIDIA
by elsewhere on Fri 1st Feb 2008 15:37 in reply to "RE: NVIDIA"
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2005-07-13

Binary drivers for Linux (and other *NIX) was ok, but ATI and Intel have raised the bar, its about time that Nvidia raised the bar further and not only make their specifications and code open, but actually dedicate programming resources to work with the opensource community.


Remember though that the primary reason that the *nix community already enjoys the level of support from nVidia that they do, is because of the commercial customers running graphics apps on *nix workstations using high-end nVidia adapters. These customers are not clamoring for open drivers or threatening to switch vendors. Intel is a far ways away from this space, and even ATI would appear to be more focused on the consumer/gaming market than the high end computer graphics market.

That, and the fact that their universal driver model makes implementation on alternative platforms easier to manage.

nVidia supports the OSS-desktop community as far as their respective objectives intersect. It struck me that nVidia has frequently downplayed or pushed away driver problems related to compiz, for instance, yet when a compositing issue with the driver was discovered during the kwin/KDE4 development process, they released an updated driver fairly quickly.

My personal preference would be to have a more open and accessible nvidia driver, even if alongside the proprietary one. But my pragmatic side is fine with the current situation, and I'm quite happy to have a well supported adapter with KDE4 compositing goodness on my desktop.

The simple fact is that aside from frequent cries from the blogosphere, nVidia does not yet have a business reason to change their model. ATI and Intel, on the other hand, aren't in the same position. Until their level of performance and compatibility matches nVidia's then nVidia will not change their stance.

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RE[3]: NVIDIA
by kaiwai on Fri 1st Feb 2008 17:25 in reply to "RE[2]: NVIDIA"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

The issue I have with binary drivers is this; look at the Nvidia drivers and the dropping of support - the reluctance to still spend resources optimising drivers for older hardware. The attitude that once they've stopped selling the hardware, there is no point to supporting it adequately any more. ATI went down the same garden path.

If the drivers are open along with all the specifications, I as a customer atleast know that in 2-3 years time, long after they stopped making those graphics cards, I know there will still be programmers dedicating hours fixing bugs, improving performance and addressing issues - long after which most commercial companies would have thrown in the towel.

That is ultimately the underlying issue (and what pushed the creation of FSF) - the customer at the mercy of a company who quite frankly will cut support when it is no longer convenient for them to support the hardware. You are the mercy on whether they the customer can be stuffed supporting it - what about your right as a consumer to be able to continue running the hardware? why should I as a customer be forced into a situation where I am told, "you hardware is no longer supported - get with the programme and upgrade!"

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