Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 2nd Feb 2008 22:29 UTC, submitted by Nemilar
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu "Its official release is just under three months away, and Ubuntu 8.04, or Hardy Heron, promises some great improvements over the already user-friendly Ubuntu 7.10 (also known as Gusty Gibbon). This is a look at the fourth Alpha release of Hardy; including many of the applications that are now included by default and the major changes that will improve stability and usability. Among these are the addition of Firefox 3 and Remote Desktop on the applications side, and a new method for systems control known as Policy Kit, which enables the administrator to unlock certain functions for normal users."
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RE: Summarised
by kaiwai on Sun 3rd Feb 2008 04:27 UTC in reply to "Summarised"
kaiwai
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2005-07-06

You're right about the 'gets in the way of productivity' - I'd love to know what is more productive; having a secure system which might request the authorisation to run an application at a higher privilage level or simply just allowing an appliation to run, cause all manner of problems, hours of work down the drain - and a net loss of productivity.

Security to me reminds me of safety belts and helmets - yes they're not 100% comfortable or enticing to wear, but when you do get into a situation where the out comes could have been worse had you not worn it, you'll realise that it was only a marginal inconvenience when you consider the outcomes could have been alot worse.

Back on topic, for me, the issue has never been the quality of the distribution; I've always found the various *NIX (*BSD/OpenSolaris/Linux) distributions to be already ready for the desktop. What I do find annoying is the lack of commercial applications (running under wine would be ok, if it were a certainty that the applications would run everytime, all the time, and perfectly). As much as I love OpenOffice.org for example, it simply can't hold a candle to the ease of use of iWorks (Pages, Keynote, Numbers). The media player, Rhythmbox I had nothing but problems on the variety of distributions I've tried in the past.

The foundation has been laid, the distributions are already up to the standard I think would win over the desktop - heck, Ubuntu right now is already a Windows replacement. What is needed is better applications, more of them, and third party commercial software vendors like Adobe, Intuit, and MYOB coming out and putting their 100% backing behind *NIX (which ever distribution they end up choosing).

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RE[2]: Summarised
by kadymae on Sun 3rd Feb 2008 16:18 in reply to "RE: Summarised"
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2005-08-02

You're right about the 'gets in the way of productivity' - I'd love to know what is more productive;


Speaking from past experiences with PPC X/Ubuntu 6.xx systems, I can assure you that having to save work, logout/login, change a minor setting or download and install a program update, logout/login is anything but productive.

In Xubuntu 6.06 a little authentication box used to pop open (ala OS X) and ask me for my password, but I could type my systadmin password till my fingers fell off and nothing doing. (Thanks unfixed system bug!)

So, a working system that allows me to authenticate on the fly without having to do a user switch or logout/login?

That's Productive.

It may be up and running in X/Ubuntu 7x, but I've been so busy I haven't had time to partition the one windows machine in the house and install it.

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RE[3]: Summarised
by kaiwai on Mon 4th Feb 2008 21:06 in reply to "RE[2]: Summarised"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

It may be up and running in X/Ubuntu 7x, but I've been so busy I haven't had time to partition the one windows machine in the house and install it.


Hang on, I was going to support your case till I read this snippet. You're basing an operating system release of today on the problems you experienced on an operating system released 2006/06/01? I don't know about you, that is pretty pathetic justification(s).

I'm running Fedora 8 right now on this machine, and before that I ran Ubuntu 7.10; never saw a single issue like that. Everything worked wonderfully - and this is on a Dell Dimension 8400.

Sure, there are issues, but if you are going to raise issues of a product, actually USE the latest product and base it on that. Its like reviewing an Apple computer, claiming that Apples products aren't good, then later disclosing that you're running a PowerMac from 10 years ago!

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RE[2]: Summarised
by SReilly on Mon 4th Feb 2008 22:16 in reply to "RE: Summarised"
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2006-12-28

Thing is, adobe already has support for FrameMaker on Solaris and up until version 7, AIX and the Mac. I just don't understand why they can't use the longstanding *nix experience they have and translate that into releasing and decently supporting more of their products on Linux and the *BSDs.

I am not going to pretend that I know Adobe's markets better than they do, but it seems to me that, taking into consideration what I mentioned above, and the fact that Linux is slowly but surely making waves on the corporate desktop, they are missing out on being the first company to release professional image editing solutions for Linux, thereby gaining a foot hold for what could become a very lucrative market and cementing their reputation as the leading supplier of said solutions.

Just my two cents.

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RE[3]: Summarised
by kaiwai on Tue 5th Feb 2008 00:41 in reply to "RE[2]: Summarised"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

Thing is, adobe already has support for FrameMaker on Solaris and up until version 7, AIX and the Mac. I just don't understand why they can't use the longstanding *nix experience they have and translate that into releasing and decently supporting more of their products on Linux and the *BSDs.

I am not going to pretend that I know Adobe's markets better than they do, but it seems to me that, taking into consideration what I mentioned above, and the fact that Linux is slowly but surely making waves on the corporate desktop, they are missing out on being the first company to release professional image editing solutions for Linux, thereby gaining a foot hold for what could become a very lucrative market and cementing their reputation as the leading supplier of said solutions.

Just my two cents.


From my casual chatting to people of a variety of backgrounds; if Adobe provided their products on Linux (or some sort of *NIX like Solaris x86), you would find there would be a huge number of people migrating to the said platforms.

People think that end users love Windows. End users hate Windows, what they like is the fact they can run the applications they like on Windows. If those applications were on *NIX, no one would be running Windows.

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