Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 8th Feb 2008 20:46 UTC, submitted by irbis
Graphics, User Interfaces "It's one of the more popular culture wars in the free software community: GUI versus CLI (graphics versus the command-line). Programmers, by selection, inclination, and long experience, understandably are attracted to textual interactions with the computer, but the text interface was imposed originally by technological limitations. The GUI was introduced as a reply to those problems, but has undergone very little evolution from 1973 (when it was invented at Xerox PARC) to today. So why can't we do better than either of these tired old systems?"
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RE: hmmm
by raynevandunem on Sat 9th Feb 2008 04:15 UTC in reply to "hmmm"
raynevandunem
Member since:
2006-11-24

My idea: What if we could incorporate CSS into GUIs outside the browser?

Since the only people who really take CSS seriously are web designers (the ones who create the blog websites with text gradient logos using CSS and Photoshop, among other features), what if we let the CSS folks work on the GUIs of applications outside the browser?

CSS, as a young stylesheet language, is engineered towards design and presentation of any markup-based web interface (XHTML, SVG, XUL, etc). Furthermore, the future iterations of CSS, like the CSS3 working draft, are being developed to give the web designers more say in the presentation of their websites, even though they are a long way from usurping some of the roles that web developers (those who use JavaScript frameworks like jQuery and Prototype) currently possess.

I know that, as of 2008, only Firefox-based browsers (using the Stylish extension) have the ability to customize the browser's own interface using CSS "userstyles", even though it goes only so far. This is because of Mozilla's XUL (XML User Interface Language) framework, which supports most other standards that are compatible with the XML standard.

Giving CSS designers control over the GUIs of applications, IMO, will allow for the development of better, more intuitive user interfaces. It's a natural evolution for graphical interfaces, that they should be designed (within the constraints of the programmers, of course).

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RE[2]: hmmm
by hobgoblin on Sat 9th Feb 2008 04:46 in reply to "RE: hmmm"
hobgoblin Member since:
2005-07-06

isnt this more or less what microsoft stuffed into vista?

or at least, i could have sworn that one can do gui's using a xml based language there.

sadly they havent seperated the ui from the rest so that a creative person can go about and radically rewrite the ui if he wants to (that i know of).

but then, thats what the kde people did with kde4, no? so that all the variants of desktop clocks that they have use the same "engine", but each layout is rewritten on top of that?

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RE[3]: hmmm
by raynevandunem on Sat 9th Feb 2008 06:19 in reply to "RE[2]: hmmm"
raynevandunem Member since:
2006-11-24

You mean XAML?

It says here ( http://www.windows-now.com/blogs/rrelyea/archive/2004/03/31/2893.as... and http://www.simplegeek.com/PermaLink.aspx/b7e02709-0112-4977-9b73-1a... ) that they originally thought of supporting CSS (or CSS-like stuff), but then decided to pull it out for various reasons.

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RE[2]: hmmm
by camel on Sun 10th Feb 2008 14:37 in reply to "RE: hmmm"
camel Member since:
2005-06-29

Actually Qt 4 (and through that all of KDE 4) does have Style Sheets (based on CSS) for apps.
See: http://doc.trolltech.com/4.3/stylesheet.html

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