Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 17th Feb 2008 20:15 UTC, submitted by Jonathan Roberts
"KDE 4 is seen by many to be the next big step on the free software desktop, while others think releasing 4.0 in its current condition was misleading and a mistake. Either way, it's an innovative release and inline with Fedora's goal of providing the latest and greatest free software it is set to be the default KDE environment in the next major release of Fedora. We caught up with two members of the KDE SIG to talk about the work they're doing to get it ready for release, their own opinions on the software and what they think about the progress made by Fedora in getting over its GNOME centric reputation."
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RE[4]: Unusable. Unready.
by sbergman27 on Mon 18th Feb 2008 04:11
in reply to "RE[3]: Unusable. Unready."
Member since:2005-07-24
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Then you're using the wrong distro.
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I know, I know! It's obviously a problem with my configuration. On this machine and that. And on this distro and that.
And if the kids only showed up *after* your KDE4 installation... have you checked that they are signed with the proper keys? ;-)
RE[5]: Unusable. Unready.
by elsewhere on Mon 18th Feb 2008 05:39
in reply to "RE[4]: Unusable. Unready."
Member since:2005-07-13
I know, I know! It's obviously a problem with my configuration. On this machine and that. And on this distro and that.
Excellent! So we're in agreement...
And if the kids only showed up *after* your KDE4 installation... have you checked that they are signed with the proper keys? ;-)
I'm a little suspicious. I first met KDE4 briefly six or seven months ago, and now suddenly I'm living with it and these new dependencies. The math doesn't add up, so I've sent the keys in for verification, since I don't remember signing them. Could have been the coronas, but I need to know for sure...
RE[5]: Unusable. Unready.
by l3v1 on Mon 18th Feb 2008 14:20
in reply to "RE[4]: Unusable. Unready."
Member since:2005-07-06
I know, I know! It's obviously a problem with my configuration. On this machine and that. And on this distro and that.
And if the kids only showed up *after* your KDE4 installation... have you checked that they are signed with the proper keys? ;-)
And if the kids only showed up *after* your KDE4 installation... have you checked that they are signed with the proper keys? ;-)
So tell me, how is it that we should take your word about KDE's frequent crashes as granted and generally true? Maybe we should take the same truth pills you take. Other than that, believe it or not, it's not just you who uses KDE, 24/7, and I find such opinions somewhat nerving.
Never would I say any long preaches about KDE's superior stability, since I have seen some installs that crashed more than a crash test dummy, but I've seen and experienced the opposite much more frequently. What I can tell for certain is, that months can pass me by without any crashes whatsoever.
You can believe that at least that much as that
I know, I know!
comment.
RE[5]: Unusable. Unready.
by miro on Mon 18th Feb 2008 14:35
in reply to "RE[4]: Unusable. Unready."
Member since:2005-07-13
Rebuild with debug and post a bug, otherwise shut up. Don't piss on other people work you are using for free!
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I use kde4 apps in my kde3 installation, checkout kdesvn-build it is really easy if you are not afraid of compiling. I'm waiting for kmail & amarok to get ported, then I switch to kde4 for good (e.g. remove kde3 packages).
RE[4]: Unusable. Unready.
by Anonymous Penguin on Mon 18th Feb 2008 05:01
in reply to "RE[3]: Unusable. Unready."
Member since:2005-07-06
RE[5]: Unusable. Unready.
by KugelKurt on Mon 18th Feb 2008 09:51
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Member since:2005-07-06
OpenSUSE is my main distro. I download every KDE4 update, almost daily. I am far from impressed, especially by the lack of features, but also by bugs.
If you get updates for KDE 4 on a daily basis, you are using a repository that offers SVN nightlies. Nightlies of any project are hardly known for their stability -- even if it's from the "STABLE" branch.
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2005-07-13
uhmmm...
Yes it does. Even 3.5.x does. I still see way too much of even the 3.5 crash dialog. Konqueror is a particularly egregious offender.
Yes it does.
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Then you're using the wrong distro. I haven't had a crash in KDE 4.x with openSUSE, with KDE4 apps or KDE3.
Seriously, when Gnome 1.0 and 2.0 were released, they needed some love to become loveable. But they were usable, mostly, and bugs were quickly addressed. Look where they led to.
If you've got serious problems with KDE4, then please report the bugs, otherwise you're not helping the situation.
I cannot comment on this since I have none. I didn't even have any before I tested KDE4. Are you claiming that you had children before your KDE4 adventure, and that they remain uneaten at this moment? ;-) "
I didn't before KDE4, but they were brought in as package dependencies... Damned RPM