Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 21st Feb 2008 15:30 UTC, submitted by CIozzio
Mac OS X "Leopard started out with a generous share of first-version glitches, but almost all of them have now been resolved by the second of two automated updates, which brings Leopard up to version 10.5.2. Finally, Leopard is extravagantly overdressed for the jobs that it's designed to do, and its pervasive eye-candy starts out looking dazzling but soon becomes distracting. Fortunately, from the beginning, the OS started out with options that let you put it on a low-eye-sugar diet, and the latest update has even more."
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RE[2]: My Experience
by bousozoku on Thu 21st Feb 2008 17:03 UTC in reply to "RE: My Experience"
bousozoku
Member since:
2006-01-23

Lucky for you... Leopard wont even install on my 15" Powerbook G4... keeps crashing to the "You need to restart your computer" screen. =\


If you're using cheap third party RAM, you might consider something more stable.

It's a mixed bag. I installed it on my 15.2 inch PowerBook G4 only to see performance drop in a big way, while Intel-based machines have seen the opposite.

I re-formatted the drive last night and re-installed and the performance drop is even more significant for some reason.

It's a good operating system, but Apple often targets things they want, things that have little meaning to consumers. I don't use Dashboard Widgets or Exposé but they certainly garner attention because of their visuals.

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RE[3]: My Experience
by NathanHill on Thu 21st Feb 2008 17:15 in reply to "RE[2]: My Experience"
NathanHill Member since:
2006-10-06

Surprisingly for me, on this little Powerbook G4, Dashboard is actually usable after the graphics update and 10.5.2. I'm not sure why exactly... but there is no lag when I open Dashboard now. Normally, I just turned it off as something that I couldn't use.

However, I did end up wiping my hard drive and installing Leopard from scratch though. I did not upgrade. This also means I have a lot less system enhancements now than in Tiger.

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RE[3]: My Experience
by Kroc on Thu 21st Feb 2008 17:15 in reply to "RE[2]: My Experience"
Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

Is it disk churning that's causing the system to go slower, or is it response times? I've got a pokey MacMini G4, and I used Onyx to disable the OS animations (window, sheet &c.), which helps with snappiness.

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RE[4]: My Experience
by bousozoku on Thu 21st Feb 2008 20:59 in reply to "RE[3]: My Experience"
bousozoku Member since:
2006-01-23

Is it disk churning that's causing the system to go slower, or is it response times? I've got a pokey MacMini G4, and I used Onyx to disable the OS animations (window, sheet &c.), which helps with snappiness.


Neither, it's the fact that with 10.5.0 and 10.5.2, but not 10.5.1 + security update, the system won't allow any single task to go above 90 % CPU usage. What they did during 10.5.1 and the security update, I don't know, but they took it away. Even then, it was much more slow than 10.4.10 was.

Virtual memory looks just fine but it looks as if they'd installed a CPU governor to keep a single task from holding the CPU hostage.

General responsiveness seems reasonable for a 3 year old machine with a 4200 rpm drive and 1.5 GB of RAM but long running tasks take a very long time. I've been running folding@home for instance and it went from 36 to 69 minutes per percent after upgrading to 10.5.2.

Since the re-format/re-installation, 48 minutes is looking more like 90 minutes and it has the same level of system software as before the re-format: 10.5.2.

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RE[3]: My Experience
by tyrione on Thu 21st Feb 2008 18:10 in reply to "RE[2]: My Experience"
tyrione Member since:
2005-11-21

"Lucky for you... Leopard wont even install on my 15" Powerbook G4... keeps crashing to the "You need to restart your computer" screen. =\


If you're using cheap third party RAM, you might consider something more stable.

It's a mixed bag. I installed it on my 15.2 inch PowerBook G4 only to see performance drop in a big way, while Intel-based machines have seen the opposite.

I re-formatted the drive last night and re-installed and the performance drop is even more significant for some reason.

It's a good operating system, but Apple often targets things they want, things that have little meaning to consumers. I don't use Dashboard Widgets or Exposé but they certainly garner attention because of their visuals.
"

Oh that's right! Kensington and Crucial are cheap third party RAM!

They work great in Tiger but they stink up the joint in Leopard.

Sorry: The Installer.app is BROKEN.

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RE[4]: My Experience
by protagonist on Thu 21st Feb 2008 20:57 in reply to "RE[3]: My Experience"
protagonist Member since:
2005-07-06

"Oh that's right! Kensington and Crucial are cheap third party RAM!"

I believe he said "IF" and did not make a judgment. He was just offering a suggestion as to what you might look at. And what he said was correct.

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RE[4]: My Experience
by thavith_osn on Thu 21st Feb 2008 21:35 in reply to "RE[3]: My Experience"
thavith_osn Member since:
2005-07-11

Tyrlone,

The guy was trying to help? I'm glad noone else tried to help, a war could have started - lol...

It could be the installer, but more likely, it is something the installer is trying to do that your machine fails to do...

Anyway, good luck if you try and work it out...

Edited 2008-02-21 21:39 UTC

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RE[4]: My Experience
by SlackerJack on Fri 22nd Feb 2008 12:48 in reply to "RE[3]: My Experience"
SlackerJack Member since:
2005-11-12

Kingston is very good ram, it's branded well known ram and if I had to put a computer together I'd put Kinston ram in(my custom made computer is and has)

The computer place I used to work at swore by it, rarely did they get any bad ram back and usually switched it with people having bad ram issues themselves. I may not be talking about Mac's but they use the same kingston ram(assuming they do at all) and if the manufacture recommends it you have a case if anything goes wrong, unlike non recommended ram no matter how good it clams to be.

Edited 2008-02-22 12:58 UTC

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RE[4]: My Experience
by bousozoku on Fri 22nd Feb 2008 18:20 in reply to "RE[3]: My Experience"
bousozoku Member since:
2006-01-23


Oh that's right! Kensington and Crucial are cheap third party RAM!

They work great in Tiger but they stink up the joint in Leopard.

Sorry: The Installer.app is BROKEN.


Who said anything about those brands? Are you admitting to also being gjames, the person who first posted about being unable to install Leopard?

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RE[3]: My Experience
by robcj on Fri 22nd Feb 2008 01:40 in reply to "RE[2]: My Experience"
robcj Member since:
2007-10-11

[q]It's a good operating system, but Apple often targets things they want, things that have little meaning to consumers. I don't use Dashboard Widgets or Exposé but they certainly garner attention because of their visuals.


I'm always surprised when people say they don't use Expose. After I moved to Panther, I couldn't go back to Jaguar because I had come to rely on Expose. When I use Windows XP, Expose is the one thing I miss most. I haven't used Vista yet so I'm curious to see how the new window switching feature works. I usually work on a laptop, mostly my aging iBook G4, and I navigate almost exclusively through keyboard shortcuts. Expose is an important part of that.

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