Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 21st Feb 2008 15:26 UTC, submitted by Robert Kratky
Opera Software Opera Software's CEO Jon S. von Tetzchner explains why they will not release the Opera browser as open source, arguing that open standards are more important than open source. Von Tetzchner also talks about the company's antitrust complaint to the European Commission in which it accuses Microsoft of abusing its dominant position by tying Internet Explorer to Windows.
Thread beginning with comment 301867
To read all comments associated with this story, please click here.
never too late to fix whats broken
by TechGeek on Thu 21st Feb 2008 17:17 UTC
TechGeek
Member since:
2006-01-14

So just because we have endured 20 years of Microsofts monopoly we should be content to just keep on doing it? And I would hardly call Firefox sucesssful. Don't get me wrong, its the only browser I use. But it only has 10-15 % market share and it became popular during a time when IE was really crap and had been pretty much abandoned by Microsoft. Even then they could do better than 20%. Why? Its all about the pre-installs. The only reason that is changing now is because of the many people putting Linux on the desktop. You can't compete with just a browser. You need to have it be part of the entire OS package. Thats why firefox and Safari are anywhere on the map.

Reply Score: 2

Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

Firefox is up to 40% in some European countries. It cannot be ignored.
Firefox also proved that people will download a browser, even when one is bundled.
Firefox basically proves you, and Opera wrong.
Mozilla have not been crying afoul of IE, they have simply been getting on with doing the best job they can.

Mitchell Baker, and the new CEO David Ascher are smart, driven people who care about end users, not market-share and politics.

If Opera want to play a politics game, they will lose.

Reply Parent Score: 9

Moulinneuf Member since:
2005-07-06

http://www.mozilla.org/about/

"The Mozilla project's launch by Netscape in 1998 ..."

Microsoft settled for 750 Million with AOL over Netscape :

http://money.cnn.com/2003/05/29/technology/microsoft/

Edited 2008-02-21 19:38 UTC

Reply Parent Score: 3

SlackerJack Member since:
2005-11-12

Well Opera would have to prove that it's IE thats stopping them rather than Firefox, whats to say Firefox is not stopping them for getting more market share?

Reply Parent Score: 3

Arakon Member since:
2005-07-06

I use Firefox over Opera. Just didn't care for the interface. I absolutely HATE the new IE interface. It feels like they are hiding all the damn buttons. I've had the unfortunate side affect of running across individuals using Vista and the new IE asking me to make it work like XP. The first thing I do is install Firefox, remove all the IE icons and replace them with the Firefox icons (labeled "The Internet" for the slow ones).

So far every single person still uses Firefox; it updates itself, just like vista and its easy to use with fairly obvious interface.

Reply Parent Score: 1

flanque Member since:
2005-12-15

I think this is a very good point. There's no way I would go for Opera whilst Firefox exists. Besides that, my decision to not choose Opera goes back well beyond Firefox's existance.

I simply do not like the way the browser looks and feels. I could probably get used to it (heck, I've gotten used to the OSNews skins) but I really couldn't be bothered.

Reply Parent Score: 2

Touvan Member since:
2006-09-01

It's worth adding to that, that Netscape 2.x - 4.x used to come pre-installed on windows and mac machines, back when it was top dog.

There is today good reason for OEMs to choose an alternative. The question is, why don't they choose the alternative.

My money's on unfair licensing deals that Microsoft gets them into. There is the chance though that they simply have a better product in the eyes of most OEMs. Then again, when is the last time you saw any group of people always agree on anything - I mean besides conservative republicans (-ducks-). :-D

A good fair hearing should help to bear this all out, so Opera has my complete support.

Reply Parent Score: 2

PlatformAgnostic Member since:
2006-01-02

Special deals with OEMs are specifically against the rules and probably aren't happening. The reason OEMs don't include anything other than IE is that adding something else would increase their testing burden. Right now, IE comes with the OS and is proven to work (some people differ on how well it works, but almost everyone will agree that it's good enough). OEMs have nothing to gain from including something else.

Reply Parent Score: 2