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RE[8]: Comment by moleskine
by SReilly on Fri 29th Feb 2008 09:28
in reply to "RE[7]: Comment by moleskine"
The actions of the EU bureaucracy haven't yielded ANY practical benefits to the computer industry. They've simply sucked $$$ from the private sector into the public sector.
They most certainly have. Documentation bought by the Samba team is already being used to great effect. I will also happily enter into any reasonable wager that the outcome of forcing MS to open up their specs will lead to major repercussions in the private sector. It's plain to see that only after MS had any serious competition in a market did they decided to improve their offerings, i.e. IE in case you haven't noticed. Forcing these robber barrens to play fair is the only way we will ever get a level playing field, something somebody with anti socialist sentiments surely would approve of.
If it's indeed a "well known fact", then you won't mind actually providing a verifiable reference.
How about the sum of $9 million to both US parties since 1999? http://www.campaignmoney.com/microsoft.asp
Mind you, those figures are only what the company contributed. There is also a list of personal contributions further down the page.
As for getting of lightly due to government involvement, first link provided by Google did the trick there. Here is an interesting excerpt.
"Settlement negotiations could resume in the case, with the Justice Department's side under new Republican leadership. But state attorneys general, who worked alongside federal prosecutors, have vowed to press ahead with their separate case."
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/28/business/28WIRE-SOFT.html
Remember, Google is your friend.
I don't see why you'd oppose a truly independent review of the protocols. What are you worried about? Worried that your sacred cows in the EU might have played you for a sap?
I don't and never said I do. I just find it hard to believe anything you say, that's all. Straw man indeed.
RE[9]: Comment by moleskine
by tomcat on Fri 29th Feb 2008 18:26
in reply to "RE[8]: Comment by moleskine"
They most certainly have. Documentation bought by the Samba team is already being used to great effect.
First, if Samba has been able to make good use of the documentation, then clearly the EU and its agent (Barrett) were full of CRAP when they claimed that the docs were useless; and therefore, the fine was unwarranted. Second, as I've pointed out elsewhere on this thread, Samba has ALWAYS had the option of getting the technical information that it needs by participating in Microsoft's Shared Source License program for customers. It enables customers to get view-access to Microsoft source code. Samba didn't want to pay for access. Even with the EU on its side, Samba had to pay $10K for the docs. So, from a practical standpoint, the EU didn't do anything that wasn't already available through normal market conditions.
How about the sum of $9 million to both US parties since 1999?
I wasn't referring to campaign contributions. I was was referring to the SO-CALLED influence that you cited on the U.S. Supreme Court. You claimed that the Supreme Court was influenced by campaign contributions to the Bush Administration. I realize that you're in Europe and, therefore, may not be familiar with the way that our government and court system are organized. But the U.S. Supreme Court is wholly independent of the Bush Administration and Congress. Members of the USSC are appointed by various presidential administrations -- both liberal and conservative -- for a life term. They don't need campaign money and they don't need to run for public office. And, given that you have ZERO evidence that they were improperly influenced to side with Microsoft, the point goes to me. Quite frankly, given how badly Microsoft was antagonized by Judge Jackson during the federal circuit court trial, I'm surprised that you would even try to suggest that campaign money influenced the outcome of the case in the courts. It just doesn't follow reality.
I don't and never said I do.
Finally, we can agree on something meaningful.
I just find it hard to believe anything you say, that's all.
And yet, somehow, you convinced yourself that the U.S. Supreme Court decision was improperly influenced by campaign contributions. You might want to reexamine your thought processes. You're not thinking clearly.







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Straw man. I don't care about comparisons between the US and European bureaucracies. Neither has any appeal to me.
The actions of the EU bureaucracy haven't yielded ANY practical benefits to the computer industry. They've simply sucked $$$ from the private sector into the public sector.
If it's indeed a "well known fact", then you won't mind actually providing a verifiable reference.
Given that you believe that tripe conspiracy theory about the U.S. Supreme Court, you're going to have to work harder to feign disbelief.
I don't see why you'd oppose a truly independent review of the protocols. What are you worried about? Worried that your sacred cows in the EU might have played you for a sap?
Edited 2008-02-29 08:46 UTC