Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 4th Mar 2008 10:07 UTC, submitted by gonzo
Internet Explorer "We've decided that IE8 will, by default, interpret web content in the most standards compliant way it can. This decision is a change from what we've posted previously. Microsoft recently published a set of Interoperability Principles. Thinking about IE8's behavior with these principles in mind, interpreting web content in the most standards compliant way possible is a better thing to do. We think that acting in accordance with principles is important, and IE8's default is a demonstration of the interoperability principles in action. While we do not believe any current legal requirements would dictate which rendering mode a browser must use, this step clearly removes this question as a potential legal and regulatory issue. As stated above, we think it's the better choice." Ars has more.
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Too late
by markob on Tue 4th Mar 2008 12:10 UTC
markob
Member since:
2005-07-06

While this is a good thing, it doesn't help much. We still need to adjust CSS and everything for IE6 users (cca. 40% of users, mostly corpo). Microsoft made a mistake with IE6, this won't help a lot for at least another year or two. I hope they learned a lesson.

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RE: Too late
by TLZ_ on Tue 4th Mar 2008 12:19 in reply to "Too late"
TLZ_ Member since:
2007-02-05

Too late?

I think the recent news about IE8 and how it's developing shows change of focus on IE in general. This means that in a few years we might write a website *once*.

And isn't that better than in a few years time still having the same trouble because IE is lagging behind the standards?

I'm sick of people *always* dissing MS even when they are doing the right thing. Yes, they do bad stuff, even today.

But when they do the right thing they should be apploaded for it.

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RE[2]: Too late
by SReilly on Tue 4th Mar 2008 12:40 in reply to "RE: Too late"
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2006-12-28

But when they do the right thing they should be apploaded for it.

I agree with your sentiment and think you have a very good point, it's just the reasoning behind MS's shift in policy that is so grating.

The only reason MS is doing this is because of the vast amount of money the EU fined them for not being in compliance with the anti trust ruling. If it takes $1.3b to get them to start supporting standards by default, then I don't think MS should be applauded.

I don't applaud someone for not breaking into a house or for not going to jail, those are things you should be trying to do anyway. If a repeat offender stops robbing people and start trying to make amends because s/he feels regret, that I applaud. On the other hand, if s/he stops stealing/extorting people because the law has thrown the book at them, then frankly it serves them right.

Don't get me wrong. I'm personally glad that this move is happening, but I refuse to sing MS's praise for doing something they should have been doing from the start.

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RE[2]: Too late
by markob on Wed 5th Mar 2008 00:45 in reply to "RE: Too late"
markob Member since:
2005-07-06

Too late?
I think the recent news about IE8 and how it's developing shows change of focus on IE in general. This means that in a few years we might write a website *once*.
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I'm sick of people *always* dissing MS even when they are doing the right thing. Yes, they do bad stuff, even today.

You completely missed the point. Nowhere did I say anything negative about IE8, did I? Believe me, I'm very happy Microsoft is releasing a better standard compliant browser, even though I'm not using it. But it's too late. Why? From your words I see you have none or little experience with professional web development. I'm talking about big corp/news/presentation/B2B sites, serving tens/hundreds of thousand and more users daily. When a website targets general population, there are tons of people (about 20 - 30% of all) out there still using IE6 - users either didn't update or they are on office computers with lazy administrators. If you won't fix your code to work fine in that browser (some clients require even IE5.5 or 5.0 as minimum) you'll get tons of mail daily, people complaining. Unhappy visitor won't return, meaning less pageviews meaning less money from advertisements (that cover many costs). And visitors complaining means client complaining to me..that means less satisfaction meaning less money. The main problem/point here: we need to spend extra time to fix and adjust layouts and scripts to work on every user's browser like it should. Doing that can take some time and time means money. Most people don't even realize how bad IE was before 7.0 (and no, 7.0 is no miracle either, but it's quite good).

So you see, it's not all about what someone just did, never forget the past. We all make mistakes, of course, daily, but mistakes by others that cost me money....that's something different. Again, I welcome this effort from Microsoft, but the damage is done and it'll follow us for quite some time. Maybe it's just me, but I'm really not impressed by this...what, so they've finally done it right in 8th (or more) attempt, few years too late? Yapee, let me start the fireworks [/sarcasm]

Now who was dissing who for no reason? ;)

Edited 2008-03-05 00:49 UTC

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