Linked by Eugenia Loli on Fri 7th Mar 2008 21:38 UTC, submitted by SReilly
Novell and Ximian Open-source pioneer and Novell Vice President Miguel de Icaza Thursday for the first time publicly slammed his company's cross-patent licensing agreement with Microsoft as he defended himself against lack of patent protection for third parties that distribute his company's Moonlight project, which ports Microsoft's Silverlight technology to Linux.
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RE: Interesting
by Eugenia on Fri 7th Mar 2008 21:57 UTC in reply to "Interesting"
Eugenia
Member since:
2005-06-28

He is not "pro" anything. He always tries to be objective, so he sees things from afar, rather than getting all psyched with his own position, or OSS' position, or Microsoft's position. This is why I like Miguel.

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Amen!
by TLZ_ on Fri 7th Mar 2008 22:15 in reply to "RE: Interesting"
TLZ_ Member since:
2007-02-05

I really really respect Miguel. Although he is an idealist he is also practical. He wants good tech just as much as he wants ideology(freedom).

Futhermore he never seems to have allready choses sides on anything. He always considers and he sees good and bad on both sides. *As is it (obviously) really is*

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RE: Amen!
by erdizz on Sat 8th Mar 2008 12:09 in reply to "Amen!"
erdizz Member since:
2006-06-07

Agreed, but it seems to me that Miguel is always on the pro-Microsoft side of any camp that he respectfully belongs to.

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RE[2]: Interesting
by Liquidator on Fri 7th Mar 2008 23:08 in reply to "RE: Interesting"
Liquidator Member since:
2007-03-04

Ditto. He's a pragmatic and objective guy.

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RE[2]: Interesting
by kragil on Fri 7th Mar 2008 23:12 in reply to "RE: Interesting"
kragil Member since:
2006-01-04

Nope.
IMHO you have to be pro-MS to say OOXML is a superb standard ( Cause the 6000 page blob riden monster obviously isnt! )

http://groups.google.com/group/tiraniaorg-blog-comments/browse_thre...

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v RE[3]: Interesting
by jpobst on Fri 7th Mar 2008 23:20 in reply to "RE[2]: Interesting"
RE[3]: Interesting
by sbergman27 on Fri 7th Mar 2008 23:59 in reply to "RE[2]: Interesting"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

IMHO you have to be pro-MS to say OOXML is a superb standard


Miguel seems to have a peculiar bug in his firmware which might be expressed as:

while True:
>>if provider == microsoft:
>>>>technology.category = "cool"
>>>>implement_for_linux(technology)
>>>>claim(NO_LEGAL_PROBLEMS, technology)
>>>>set_warnings(off)
>>>>ignore(signals, ALL)

('twould be nice if we had [code][/code] tags.)

Edited 2008-03-08 00:02 UTC

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RE[3]: Interesting
by google_ninja on Sat 8th Mar 2008 04:25 in reply to "RE[2]: Interesting"
google_ninja Member since:
2006-02-05

if you read his full reasoning on it here http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Jan-30.html, you will see that his opinion on OOXML is well reasoned, and coming from his position as the creator of the most used spreadsheet in the free software world, not as the VP of a company which has partnered with MS.

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RE[3]: Interesting
by TLZ_ on Sat 8th Mar 2008 12:33 in reply to "RE[2]: Interesting"
TLZ_ Member since:
2007-02-05

Yeah and have to be pro[something] to think [insert opinion].

I know this is always true. I can see their thoughts!

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RE[2]: Interesting
by buff on Sat 8th Mar 2008 00:23 in reply to "RE: Interesting"
buff Member since:
2005-11-12

Eugenia, I agree with you Miguel is not pro anything. Possibly dealing with Microsoft and expecting the relationship to be beneficial to each party is usually a mistake. Microsoft deals with others when it has the upper hand.

Edited 2008-03-08 00:24 UTC

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RE[2]: Interesting
by segedunum on Sat 8th Mar 2008 01:01 in reply to "RE: Interesting"
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

He is not "pro" anything. He always tries to be objective, so he sees things from afar, rather than getting all psyched with his own position, or OSS' position, or Microsoft's position.


I'm not entirely sure who you've got him mixed up with. For good or for bad, and people can come up with all the conspiracy theories they like, he has always had a puzzling and burning admiration for what Microsoft comes up with. Whether it be Gnumeric and Excel, Mono and .Net or support for OOXML, he is anything but objective. His bizarre support for OOXML was widely discredited, and around the time Mono was created he even started regurgitating a lot of Microsoft marketing material on .Net, such as ASP.Net being used to write 80% less code than anything else.

It just appears that Miguel is now backtracking somewhat, and if you read the debate:

http://www.linuxworld.com/news/2008/030608-mix-novells-de-icaza-cri...

A lot of it looks quite painful and difficult to reconcile. He even comes up with this gem:

"The patent piece is such a small piece of it," de Icaza said. "I don't think Windows and Linux are relevant in the long term. They might be fantastic products ... but Google has shown itself to be a cash cow. There is a feature beyond selling corporate [software] and patents ... it's going to be owning end users."


Owning end users? That's not really a logical response to..........anything.

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RE[3]: Interesting
by marafaka on Mon 10th Mar 2008 10:33 in reply to "RE[2]: Interesting"
marafaka Member since:
2006-01-03

"I'm not entirely sure who you've got him mixed up with."

Miguel and Eugenia know each other personally and they're having the same stance which might originate in their natural naivety but is a part of their economical model now.

Edited 2008-03-10 10:34 UTC

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RE[2]: Interesting
by polarbear on Sat 8th Mar 2008 10:54 in reply to "RE: Interesting"
polarbear Member since:
2006-06-13

Either the guy is bought by Microsoft or incredibly naive.

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