Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 10th Mar 2008 17:52 UTC, submitted by irbis
KDE Ars takes a look at KDE 4.0.2. "When KDE 4.0 was officially released in January, there were a lot of gaping holes in basic functionality. During the past few months, the codebase has matured considerably, and the environment is steadily approaching the point where it will be sufficiently robust for widespread day-to-day use. Although there are still many features missing, version 4.0.2 - which was released last week - offers an improved user experience. We tested KDE 4.0.2 with the recently released Kubuntu 8.04 alpha 6." In addition, there is a new 'visual changelog' for KDE 4.1.
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RE: Desktop toolbox
by smitty on Mon 10th Mar 2008 21:39 UTC in reply to "Desktop toolbox"
smitty
Member since:
2005-10-13

No. Aaron has pretty much decreed that he is never going to accept any patch that lets you turn it off.

However, on the bright side, he has detailed how he thinks this should be handled. He says that in the future, you'll be able to switch between different desktop containments just like you can switch different wallpaper backgrounds today. So, create a new containment without the toolbox, and you're good to go. Apparently the current one is only about 2KLOC, so you could probably create a replacement fairly easily.

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RE[2]: Desktop toolbox
by Erunno on Mon 10th Mar 2008 22:03 in reply to "RE: Desktop toolbox"
Erunno Member since:
2007-06-22

Mr. Seigo is making a complete ass out of himself regarding the toolbox issue. Basically telling to write your own containment is really a kick in the nuts for all the users who neither his vision for the toobox nor the methology of how it tested "in the wild" (including some high-profile KDE developers) and leaves the impression of a sulking kid with a hurt ego.

His "research" ideas for making the toolbox less aggravating (less noticable colours, themeable) are also basically working around the symptoms and not solving the problem itself or even introducing new ones (i.e. making the user responsible for finding a matching pair of toolbox theme/background). Instead of shoving it down people's throat he should consider finishing the implementation first and then trying to communicate the advantages of the toolbox to the user. If the toolbox has any practical value a user will keep it on his own despite having the option to remove it.

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RE[3]: Desktop toolbox
by J.R. on Mon 10th Mar 2008 22:32 in reply to "RE[2]: Desktop toolbox"
J.R. Member since:
2007-07-25

Mr. Seigo is making a complete ass out of himself regarding the toolbox issue. Basically telling to write your own containment is really a kick in the nuts for all the users who neither his vision for the toobox nor the methology of how it tested "in the wild" (including some high-profile KDE developers) and leaves the impression of a sulking kid with a hurt ego.


Well, the reason why I ask is that although removing it may not fit Mr. Seigo's vision, keeping it does not fit my desktop. Since I own a 13 inch screen with 1280x800 resolution it just takes up too much god damn space. He can cram as many Plasma features as he wants into it and it still has to go.

However, I do read his blog daily and the closest he comes to an explanation is "wait I am not done yet" in addition to his regular rant about all the work he puts into this and how everyone should just shut it and be grateful. A lot of users are complaining about this issue so I can not understand why he refuses to even consider it. People are complaining because they love KDE and wants it to work for them. Should he listen to every request? No ofcourse not, but this particular issue is a big one. As a result he could at least try to not go crazy and insult everyone when the issue is mentioned. Its not personal against him, and its not even about Plasma as he makes it seem...its only one small issue...ONE issue with an otherwise excellent product.

This shouldn't need to be politics...

EDIT: its strange how my rating drops dramatically every time there is a KDE4 news on this site ;)

Edited 2008-03-10 22:49 UTC

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RE[3]: Desktop toolbox
by Erunno on Mon 10th Mar 2008 22:44 in reply to "RE[2]: Desktop toolbox"
Erunno Member since:
2007-06-22

who neither share his vision for the toobox nor the methology of how it tested "in the wild"


Why is it that I always realize that a word is missing 2 seconds after the last chance to edit has passed? Ah well, proofreading is becoming a lost art :-P

Anyway, don't mind me and carry on.

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