Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 11th Mar 2008 23:28 UTC, submitted by irbis
Mono Project "Does GNOME co-founder Miguel de Icaza's backflip over the Novell-Microsoft deal a few days ago mean that he has finally been convinced that he is on a one-way path to nowhere? Has he realised that his own project, Mono, is actually putting GNOME on a development track that can leave it open to patent claims one day? And has he realised that creating Moonlight, a clone of Microsoft's Silverlight, (with which the company hopes to trump Adobe's Flash) is not going to advance the cause of free software one iota?"
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RE[4]: Destructive
by jpobst on Wed 12th Mar 2008 04:19 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Destructive"
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Helping in any one of these areas would have far-reaching, cross-platform benefits for massive segments of OSS. Instead, the Mono folks chose to write a VM from scratch...

To be fair, Mono predates Parrot by about a year, and predates Vala by about five years. So saying they should have helped on these projects before starting their own "from scratch" is kinda silly.

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RE[5]: Destructive
by monodeldiablo on Wed 12th Mar 2008 04:33 in reply to "RE[4]: Destructive"
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I'm afraid you have it backwards. The Mono project was announced almost exactly a year after development on Parrot (Perl 6) began. It then took three years for Mono to be released in usable form.

Vala's just a great idea that better addresses the Mono project's original goals than writing a virtual machine from scratch.

Wikipedia is your friend.

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RE[6]: Destructive
by lsls on Wed 12th Mar 2008 11:54 in reply to "RE[5]: Destructive"
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If you claim that Mono is not safe to use due to patents, then please don't claim that Vala and Parrot are safe. Vala is a C# clone, and Parrot is a VM.

Patents are about ideas, not about specific implementations. You should know that. So if there is any patented idea about C# or the CLR VM, they may as well apply to Vala and Parrot.

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RE[6]: Destructive
by jpobst on Wed 12th Mar 2008 14:29 in reply to "RE[5]: Destructive"
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I was going more for first release, project announcements aren't worth much without code, not that Wikipedia has much history or dates on either project. The best I could find was from Parrot's page, their first release:

Simon 0.0.1 2001-Sep-10

The best I could find for Mono was their 0.3 release announcement:
dated July 12, 2001

So it definitely wasn't a year, I apologize. My point was that neither Parrot nor Vala were established, released projects that Mono people chose to ignore so they could rewrite everything from scratch.

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