Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 11th Mar 2008 23:28 UTC, submitted by irbis
Mono Project "Does GNOME co-founder Miguel de Icaza's backflip over the Novell-Microsoft deal a few days ago mean that he has finally been convinced that he is on a one-way path to nowhere? Has he realised that his own project, Mono, is actually putting GNOME on a development track that can leave it open to patent claims one day? And has he realised that creating Moonlight, a clone of Microsoft's Silverlight, (with which the company hopes to trump Adobe's Flash) is not going to advance the cause of free software one iota?"
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RE[4]: O_O
by TLZ_ on Wed 12th Mar 2008 08:15 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: O_O"
TLZ_
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2007-02-05

You could see Silverlight and Flash as two evils, and I would not really call Adobe an angel here. Getting Flash to work on Linux is hell and Adobe isn't exactly putting an effort into it. Last time I checked they didn't help the gnash-team either. MS is helping the Moonlight team. Yup, you do get some MS-tech, and if I'm not mistaken some closed code(The media formats), but other than that it's open source. You're probably never going to see a open source. That's better than Flash, isn't it? And besides: Silverlight does offer some interesting tech. It's not all about politics.

(Actually, the Flash plugin even on Windows as pretty much gone to hell after Adobe took over Macromedia. It's transformed into this one single giant memory leak.)

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RE[5]: O_O
by gilboa on Wed 12th Mar 2008 14:18 in reply to "RE[4]: O_O"
gilboa Member since:
2005-07-06

You could see Silverlight and Flash as two evils, and I would not really call Adobe an angel here. Getting Flash to work on Linux is hell and Adobe isn't exactly putting an effort into it. Last time I checked they didn't help the gnash-team either. MS is helping the Moonlight team. Yup, you do get some MS-tech, and if I'm not mistaken some closed code(The media formats), but other than that it's open source. You're probably never going to see a open source. That's better than Flash, isn't it? And besides: Silverlight does offer some interesting tech. It's not all about politics.

(Actually, the Flash plugin even on Windows as pretty much gone to hell after Adobe took over Macromedia. It's transformed into this one single giant memory leak.)


I do not agree. Far from it.

A company may decide that it's doesn't want to help reverse engineering attempts. (Such as gnash and swfdec) - it's their choice to make. (As much as we may or may not like it)
However, as I said in another sub-thread, to the best of knowledge Adobe never sued nor it ever threatened to sue any OSS reverse engineering project.

I rather wait for gnash or swfdec to work reliably instead of using a Microsoft designed Trojan horse.

You may or may not agree with my risk assessment.
But you cannot argue that MS' past behavior is besides the point in this argument. This argument it far too important to be won on technological merits alone. (As in both technological or plug-in availability)

- Gilboa

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