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Hardware, Embedded Systems Geek.com reviews the ThinkPad X300. "The ThinkPad X300 is an exercise in balance. It's designers were tasked with balancing performance and usability with size and weight and they did an excellent job."
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Design
by arokh on Sat 15th Mar 2008 18:15 UTC
arokh
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2008-01-29

It's 2008, why does Thinkpads still have the same _horrible_ design as in 1995?

http://www.umcrookston.edu/helpdesk/images/NotebookPhotos/380XDBric...

I know, design isn't the most important aspect of a laptop, but that doesn't mean it should be completely ignored.

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RE: Design
by Bit_Rapist on Sat 15th Mar 2008 18:40 in reply to "Design"
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2005-11-13

It's 2008, why does Thinkpads still have the same _horrible_ design as in 1995?

Its the same color scheme and keyboard design, other than that they are very different machines than in 1995.

I personally love the look and sturdy build of the machines. You know a thinkpad when you see one and you never have to worry that the latest 'rev' of the hardware has become cheap or the keyboard on your new laptop has been totally redesigned and cheapened up.

While different designs from Lenovo would be welcome on new models, I hope they never change the basics of the thinkpad.

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RE: Design
by irbis on Sat 15th Mar 2008 19:06 in reply to "Design"
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2005-07-08

Although personally I think these notebooks look quite stylish, you may have a point. I have a woman friend who is looking for a suitable but not too big laptop. So I emailed her a link to this review and said that something like this good be suitable laptop if she can afford the price. The reply: she complained, maybe partly as a joke but still..., that the laptop is too dark and dull-looking to suit her tastes... ;) Well, I wouldn't have guessed that, and like I said, I would like the current looks. But maybe Lenovo could indeed try to put more effort also into the aesthetic design of their laptops, so that all the models wouldn't have the same old industrial black/dark gray looks and there would be more design choices too.

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RE[2]: Design
by StephenBeDoper on Sat 15th Mar 2008 20:09 in reply to "RE: Design"
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2005-07-06

I don't recall the specific models (and it looks like the Lenovo online store is down), but I believe Lenovo has already started doing that. IIRC some of the newer consumer-oriented models that Lenovo has introduced (aka, models that didn't exist in the IBM days) are marginally "flashier". But still fairly minimalist, compared to laptops from Apple or Sony.

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RE: Design
by StephenBeDoper on Sat 15th Mar 2008 20:03 in reply to "Design"
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2005-07-06

Do you mean design, or aesthestics? If you mean the design, I assure you that it *has* indeed changed over the years - speaking as the former owner of a Thinkpad 560x, and the current owner of a x30.

If you mean aesthetics, it's not *trying* to be beautiful, it's not designed for people who see their laptop as a way to attract the opposite sex at Starbucks.

I'd argue that, aesthetically, Thinkpads at least succeed at being *not ugly* (unlike many Dell/HP/Acer laptops, that look as if the designers had to be restrained from adding a spoiler & spinners).

Edited 2008-03-15 20:10 UTC

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RE[2]: Design
by Kokopelli on Sat 15th Mar 2008 21:31 in reply to "RE: Design"
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2005-07-06

In case anyone actually wonders where the original concept of the thinkpad design came from it was based on the Japanese Bento box.

http://lenovoblogs.com/designmatters/?p=72

From a brand recognition standpoint it is probably the most recognizable design out right now for laptops. While I would not call the thinkpad stylish, it is functional and neither guady or ugly. It is a solid design and look that has lasted longer than any other computer design I am aware of.

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RE[2]: Design
by arokh on Sun 16th Mar 2008 12:12 in reply to "RE: Design"
arokh Member since:
2008-01-29

It's looking the same as 1995.

Why isn't it trying to be beautiful? Having style is not all about attracting the other sex you know.

Let me assure you, the Thinkpad is ugly. It might look "not ugly" to some, but nowawadays non-geeks use computers as well.

Sounds harsh, but it's the truth. Have you seen all the inconsistencies on the outer shell of these laptops? It has bumps all over, stuff pointing out. I mean, there are plenty of alternatives that have the same specifications and look much better.

Also, did you ever actually use a Thinkpad? Even today, the Lenovo laptops are so loaded to the brink with crap that it is almost not useable. It takes 30 minutes to remove all the unnecessary software that's on there.

These laptops just seem to appeal to businesses that signed a deal with IBM 10 years ago and are scared to death of change.

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RE: Design
by remenic on Sun 16th Mar 2008 15:40 in reply to "Design"
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2005-07-06

I have a Thinkpad 600 (from 1999) and a Macbook. Both are very similar in size and weight. The Macbook is completely white, while the IBM is completely black, but both are simply beautiful.

Many of the clones to fine too, though. I have also owned an Acer Ferrari 3000, and while it's a pretty good looking laptop, it looks like a device will a limited life-span. Hell, it already has had several revisions, so that probably means a lot of people didn't like the looks that much. Oh and I had to bring it in for repairs, twice, too.

The Thinkpad on the other hand is indestructible and timeless. In fact, It's still working! I expect the Macbook to last a long time too. Apple and IBM. The rest are just cheap clones, copying the originals.

My next "PC laptop" will be a Thinkpad again. No doubt about that. At first I was disappointed when IBM handed over the Thinkpad line to Lenovo, but so far they seem to be doing fine.

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RE: Design
by BiPolar on Mon 17th Mar 2008 13:23 in reply to "Design"
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2007-07-06

It's 2008, why does Thinkpads still have the same _horrible_ design as in 1995?


Because many people still find it to be a solid and nice design, and keep buying it?

It's good to have alternatives, you know. ;)

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RE: Design
by kwanbis on Tue 18th Mar 2008 04:39 in reply to "Design"
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2005-07-06

As i said before, i have had from a 701C, to a Z61. They are very similar, black, with a trackpoint (the best pointing device var none), and a screen, and that is about it.

I also have a macbook. A macbook is no more flashier than a ThinkPad.

And i rather have the minimalist looks of the ThinkPads/Macbooks, than the horrible HPs that look like a discotecke where everything has a light, etc.

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