Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 20th Mar 2008 21:43 UTC
SuSE, openSUSE The next version of Novell's Suse Linux Enterprise Server will focus on migration technologies and virtualisation, in order to entice users from Unix and take market share from Red Hat, according to a roadmap announced at the company's BrainShare meeting in Salt Lake City. Version 11 of SLES is not due until the middle of 2009, but Novell has announced six main 'themes' for the release, including mission critical servers, virtualisation, interoperability, green IT, Unix migration and desktop Linux. Speaking of SUSE, openSUSE 11.0 alpha 3 has been released.
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Nothing of Consequence
by segedunum on Thu 20th Mar 2008 22:33 UTC
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"It's not traditional for a manufacturer to announce themes like this," said Justin Steinman, director of Linux marketing at Novell, "but this is open source — we're aiming for a new level of transparency."


Rrrright.

Unix migration in particular is "huge growth opportunity," said Steinman, who expects Suse Linux to be adopted on many of the 700,000 servers currently running the Sun Solaris version of Unix. "That's a very rich environment for migration to Linux,"


The excitement over Unix migrations started and was over years ago, as that's how Red Hat came to worry Sun so much. However, all that could have been migrated has, all those who want to stay on Unix are staying on it for a particular reason, and Linux distributors can't continue to hope that they can avoid competing against Microsoft and Windows forever. Obviously, Novell was very late on to that train and aren't even aware that it has left the station.

I've got a suggestion for Novell. How about they start competing against their number one competitor, the number one threat to their business and the number one company taking people away from Netware and off Novell altogether? You know, Microsoft.

"We have several flagship customers with 20,000 to 30,000 desktops based on Linux," he said.


That's absolutely nothing. The only way you will circumvent the OEM channel that Microsoft controls is to create a freely available desktop distribution that will have a chance of creating a desktop market for you.

"The reality is that the majority of our customers have Windows... If they are making a Linux distribution choice, they will pick the one that has been optimised for Windows."


Optimised for Windows? What, you mean that operating system that a great deal of your Netware customers are migrating to? Wow. You guys should get yourself a 'Designed For Windows Vista' sticker from Microsoft. I'll say it again: Microsoft is your biggest competitor.

...expanded partnership between Novell and SAP, especially focussed around Intel-based systems for the SME market, said Steinman. "This announcement makes it clear that Suse is SAP's Linux platform," he said.


SAP are trying to sell to the SME market? Excuse me while I get back on my chair.

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RE: Nothing of Consequence
by SlackerJack on Thu 20th Mar 2008 22:58 in reply to "Nothing of Consequence"
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2005-11-12

You get the impression Novell dont seem to know what they are doing(or think they do), just like when they brought SUSE.

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RE[2]: Nothing of Consequence
by h3rman on Thu 20th Mar 2008 23:30 in reply to "RE: Nothing of Consequence"
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2006-08-09

You get the impression Novell dont seem to know what they are doing(or think they do), just like when they brought SUSE.


Well, they did open up Suse development which was a Good Thing (tm), and although it's not my preferred distro, they could hardly have bought Debian or something. ;)

They are trying to catch the wrong fish, I agree with that. But that's also part of the 2006 deal, obviously.

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RE: Nothing of Consequence
by sbergman27 on Thu 20th Mar 2008 23:43 in reply to "Nothing of Consequence"
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2005-07-24

AFAIK, RedHat runs Linux internally, almost exclusively, if not exclusively. Last I heard, which was admittedly a while back, the years long progress of Novell's own internal Linux conversion was... depressing. 60% of their *servers* were still Windows. The desktop situation was even worse. I think that about 40% of their users were moved over to OpenOffice under Windows.

Why should companies trust their IT to a service provider which tried, and apparently failed, to use its own products internally?

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RE[2]: Nothing of Consequence
by SlackerJack on Thu 20th Mar 2008 23:53 in reply to "RE: Nothing of Consequence"
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2005-11-12

Thats not actually true, Novell canceled their Windows licenses a while back, I remember watching one of their videos conferences where they made the announcement.

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RE: Nothing of Consequence
by elsewhere on Fri 21st Mar 2008 06:32 in reply to "Nothing of Consequence"
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2005-07-13

""We have several flagship customers with 20,000 to 30,000 desktops based on Linux," he said.


That's absolutely nothing. The only way you will circumvent the OEM channel that Microsoft controls is to create a freely available desktop distribution that will have a chance of creating a desktop market for you.
"

Don't confuse the consumer market with the commercial market. Enterprises don't care about OEM preloading. More often than not, they image systems themselves before deploying anyways. And if they've decided to deploy linux, they've done so after testing it against their hardware. They don't leave installation and configuration issues up to the users.

They also don't want freely available desktops. They're quite happy to pay a fee for them, because they want a number to call if something goes wrong, and they don't want to rely on everyone running apt-get update daily to make sure the systems are patched and stable.

What they care about is manageability, supportability, and the availability to minimize workflow disruption for things like application compatibility. The first two points are easily addressed, the third one is where linux still is weak. Not as weak as it once was, but I'll be the first to admit that linux still has challenges there.

Pre-loading is really irrelevant in this space, though. Having systems tested and certified for compatibility carries far more weight, and the tier-1s already do that.

"...expanded partnership between Novell and SAP, especially focussed around Intel-based systems for the SME market, said Steinman. "This announcement makes it clear that Suse is SAP's Linux platform," he said.


SAP are trying to sell to the SME market? Excuse me while I get back on my chair.
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Everybody is targeting the SME market. Execution is a completely different argument, and many of the enterprise-class ISV's are failing miserably, but they're all still trying to get a piece of that pie.

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RE[2]: Nothing of Consequence
by segedunum on Fri 21st Mar 2008 21:08 in reply to "RE: Nothing of Consequence"
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2005-07-06

They also don't want freely available desktops. They're quite happy to pay a fee for them, because they want a number to call if something goes wrong, and they don't want to rely on everyone running apt-get update daily to make sure the systems are patched and stable.


That's not really what I'm getting at. 'Enterprise' companies are the last to initiate any migration to anything new. Whatever it is already has to be used by many, many people and have a market of its own before they will do anything with it. Novell haven't created that market (and haven't done anything to attempt to create it) and so nothing will happen.

Edited 2008-03-21 21:11 UTC

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