Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 20th Mar 2008 21:37 UTC
Apple Apple has released the first version of its browser, Safari, for Windows. Safari 3.1, which was launched on Tuesday, will run on Windows XP or Vista and, of course, Mac OSX. Apple released a beta for the Windows-supporting version in June last year. Apple has claimed that the browser is the fastest available for Windows. In a Tuesday statement, Cupertino said it "loads web pages 1.9 times faster than [Internet Explorer] 7 and 1.7 times faster than Firefox 2 [and] runs JavaScript up to six times faster than other browsers". Don't think you have Safari for Windows installed? You might want to check again.
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Terrible Install Practices
by jrronimo on Thu 20th Mar 2008 23:36 UTC
jrronimo
Member since:
2006-02-28

What the second link mentions is something that has irritated me for a while now about Apple: That, even if you don't have a specific piece of software installed, Apple Updater helpfully tells you that an update for that is available and would you like to download it?

It really feels like a bad business practice: I download Quicktime and only Quicktime. Apple Software Updater DOES NOT offer you security updates for Quicktime alone -- no, that would be FAR too useful. Rather, "Hey! There's a new version of Quicktime + iTunes available!" And now it also tosses Safari into the mix, even if it's never been installed on the machine before.

Further, when you tell Quicktime "No, thank you, I don't want a quicklaunch, desktop or Start Menu icon," running the update brings them all back with no choice not to have them. It's frustratingly poor design for the end-user, but I'm sure Apple will tout all sorts of high download / penetration numbers.

It really makes Apple seem to me like a bad company that is trying to worm its way onto my desktop despite what *I* may want.

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RE: Terrible Install Practices
by SlackerJack on Fri 21st Mar 2008 00:10 in reply to "Terrible Install Practices"
SlackerJack Member since:
2005-11-12

You mean like alot of Windows software where you get stuff you didn't ask for selected as default?

Why can't Apple use their software installer to give people their new software applications to Windows users, that never ever happens on Windows does it just like all the apps fighting to become default or start up. BTW, iTunes plays videos now so it needs QT.

Edited 2008-03-21 00:12 UTC

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Zoidberg Member since:
2006-02-11

You mean like alot of Windows software where you get stuff you didn't ask for selected as default?

How is having a default selection of components for a program you are installing even remotely related to having a program's updater telling you about software you don't even have? It's clear that Apple is just using their updater to try and push their other programs onto the user.

Why can't Apple use their software installer to give people their new software applications to Windows users, that never ever happens on Windows does it just like all the apps fighting to become default or start up.

Uh, because maybe people don't want them? The fact that they don't have them installed to begin with might be a tipoff. There's a big difference between programs you already have installed wanting to be default (which itself is poor design but is no longer common) and an updater for a particular program trying to get you to install completely different programs from that company. In any case you may have heard the expression two wrongs don't make a right. Saying "Yeah but Windows" doesn't excuse Apple's poor software designs.

BTW, iTunes plays videos now so it needs QT.

Read his post again, he doesn't have iTunes. He only has QuickTime and it most certainly does not need iTunes.

Edited 2008-03-21 07:19 UTC

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bolomkxxviii Member since:
2006-05-19

So your defense of Apple is "well, Windows software does it!"? Could you possibly choose an example with at least a little integrity? Is this really the environment you want to compare with Apple?

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Alex Forster Member since:
2005-08-12

In the keynote where he announced Safari for Windows, Steve Jobs very openly stated that they primarily hope to garner market share by bundling it with iTunes and Quicktime. He didn't seem very ashamed of it. I guess it's become common practice. And honestly, as far as moral lapses go, writing and offering more free software is probably not the worst Apple could have done.

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PlatformAgnostic Member since:
2006-01-02

This sort of thing gets Microsoft sued.

Oh well... just the price of success, I guess.

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RE: Terrible Install Practices
by PJBonoVox on Fri 21st Mar 2008 10:29 in reply to "Terrible Install Practices"
PJBonoVox Member since:
2006-08-14

Two words : Quicktime Alternative

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RE: Terrible Install Practices
by kaiwai on Fri 21st Mar 2008 16:31 in reply to "Terrible Install Practices"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

It really makes Apple seem to me like a bad company that is trying to worm its way onto my desktop despite what *I* may want.


Oh come on, its not that bad; Want to know bad - download Real Player (after registering *JUST* to download it - because there is no simply way through their web interface) or one of the many AOL products which sprawl stuff from one end of the hard disk to another.

I have to admit that what has pissed me off the most is this forced pushing of iTunes + Quicktime; you don't get the same sort of thing with Mac, you can choose one or the other through their updater.

Anyway, quite frankly, if you do have an iPod, you're better off going with a Mac. The number of issues I've had with iTunes, iPod and Windows is too many to remember. Whether its Windows, iTunes or the iPod, I don't care. All I care is for my stuff to work properly - and that seems only possible on Mac when with an iPod.

As for Safari, running it right now. It STILL isn't compatible with blogger rich text form; this is what happens when one tries to past to it:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v420/kaiwai/bullchunder.png

Apart from that, its alot more stable, which is a good thing(tm)

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