Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 20th Mar 2008 21:43 UTC
SuSE, openSUSE The next version of Novell's Suse Linux Enterprise Server will focus on migration technologies and virtualisation, in order to entice users from Unix and take market share from Red Hat, according to a roadmap announced at the company's BrainShare meeting in Salt Lake City. Version 11 of SLES is not due until the middle of 2009, but Novell has announced six main 'themes' for the release, including mission critical servers, virtualisation, interoperability, green IT, Unix migration and desktop Linux. Speaking of SUSE, openSUSE 11.0 alpha 3 has been released.
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Short sharp reply
by kaiwai on Fri 21st Mar 2008 03:34 UTC
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2005-07-06

This is my short sharp reply to the 'taking over the UNIX market; they are deluding themselves if they think that taking over Solaris, given the current change in direction at Sun, will be cakewalk. Sun has changed its business model, Solaris is now opensource, from what I understand Solaris 11 will be based 100% on opensource components. The Solaris community is growing each month with new programmers coming on board.

SuSE might have had a case 5 years ago, but the market is a completely different place. Solaris x86 is a corner stone to Sun's business model rather than an annoying inconvenience. x86 machines are now seen as viable alternatives to their SPARC machines, and Sun see's x86 as an opportunity rather than a threat to their business.

Sorry to say this, but Novell/SuSE had the opportunity several years ago to do something. The simple fact is you have to make hay while the sun shines (or in this case, dims), and Red Hat was in the right place at the right time. They charged ahead, they had an aggressive sales campaign, listened to customers and now have a foot hold in the market - anyone wonder that you never hear Sun talk about competing with Novell; Novell is no longer relevant.

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RE: Short sharp reply
by alucinor on Fri 21st Mar 2008 06:31 in reply to "Short sharp reply"
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2006-01-06

I agree, Sun has a chance to gain more share in servers and thin desktop clients with the Solaris kernel, especially if rumors are true they're working more with Nexenta and Canonical to create a Solaris *buntu derivative. Even if this isn't true, the open source world is mostly NOT the kernel, and Solaris can leverage the same code ecosystem as Linux. The only problem is that Solaris really only works best with Sun hardware, unless you do your homework and figure out the sparse driver support yourself, but it's doable. Only slightly worse than BSD, really.

The Solaris kernel is cleaner and easier to understand for newcomers, in my opinion. Linux kernel code is pretty hairy these days, as it supports more use cases, such as embedded, telecom, mobile. Solaris is primarily web server. But it's optimized for that case. Also, Solaris was designed in more of a clean-room architecture. Linux evolved organically and as a result there's many idioms and "vestigial" sections to navigate. And the hacker community isn't exactly forthcoming with getting you started -- Linus sets a pretty hardline "shut up or put up" attitude, but that's seeming to work for them!

Edited 2008-03-21 06:40 UTC

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RE[2]: Short sharp reply
by Don T. Bothers on Fri 21st Mar 2008 15:10 in reply to "RE: Short sharp reply"
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2006-03-15

I agree, Sun has a chance to gain more share in servers and thin desktop clients with the Solaris kernel, especially if rumors are true they're working more with Nexenta and Canonical to create a Solaris *buntu derivative. Even if this isn't true, the open source world is mostly NOT the kernel, and Solaris can leverage the same code ecosystem as Linux. The only problem is that Solaris really only works best with Sun hardware, unless you do your homework and figure out the sparse driver support yourself, but it's doable. Only slightly worse than BSD, really.


Actually, for me drivers aren't even that big of an issue. The two things that keep me from using Solaris is the installer and the patch management. The current installer is just so non-intuitive and slow. Every time I need a Unix and get the urge to install Solaris, I start the install and thirty minutes later, I am cancelling it and going with CentOS, FreeBSD, or Debian. The patch management is also very miserable. SMPatch is a complete dog. I know the native patch tools are great, and pca is a godsend, but it bugs me that you have to go to a third party script to have proper automated patch management. But besides those problems, there is nothing really keeping me from using Solaris instead of the other "Enterprise Linux". In fact, I would say there are plenty of reason to use Solaris instead.

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RE: Short sharp reply
by flanque on Fri 21st Mar 2008 08:25 in reply to "Short sharp reply"
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2005-12-15

I think what you're saying about Solaris and Sun are valid, but a lot of organisations choose Solaris for everything you've said and more, with particular consideration to the support services.

Sun can provide end-to-end solutions. Hardware, software, and most importantly support.

Sun's support services are in my experience, second to none which carries enormous influence when choosing a vendor.

Edited 2008-03-21 08:26 UTC

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