Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 21st Mar 2008 21:49 UTC
Editorial "I used KDE as my primary desktop from 1996 through 2006, when I installed the GNOME version of Ubuntu and found that I liked it better than the KDE desktop I'd faced every morning for so many years. Last January, I got a new Dell Latitude D630 laptop and decided to install Kubuntu on it, but within a few weeks, I went back to GNOME. Does this mean GNOME is now a better desktop than KDE, or just that I have become so accustomed to GNOME that it's hard for me to give it up?"
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RE: From GNOME to KDE and back
by unoengborg on Sat 22nd Mar 2008 05:13 UTC in reply to "From GNOME to KDE and back"
unoengborg
Member since:
2005-07-06

Oh, and there's two things that actually started to bug me quite a lot: when I dragged a file from Konqueror window to desktop or vice versa, it always asked me what I want it to do.


Yes, this is really annoying. It breaks the natural workflow. Draging things from one point to another fits well in the Desktop metaphore, while linking and copying stretches the concept a bit. The menu that pops up have four items:

"Move Here"
"Copy Here"
"Link Here"
"Cancel"

Now consider this:

On most computer systems I have worked with, the number of links usually is around 1/1000 of all files in the system, and most of them are created by scripts.

Now ow many times do we actually want to cancel a drag operation when it have gon as far as we hold the file(s) over the drop target?

This means that two of the four menu items will be used very or even extremely seldom, while of the remaining two one ("Move Here"I most likely will dominate. E.g. consider sorting files from a digital camera into different folders depending on subject.

In other words every time we move a file we are asked what we want to do even though some of the alternatives are so much more probable than others.

Another thing, if you actually want to make a link, the "Link Here" behavior is completely hidden, i.e. the only way to find out that the functionality is there is to drag and drop a file. How would a blind person find this out, as the easiest way for him to move or copy files would be to use copy and paste from the ordinary konquere window menus.

The only environment that does this good is actually windows, here simple drags and drops can be performed with the left menu buttons, but if you hold down the right menu button and drag a file, you get a menu similar to that in KDE. Not to mention that in windows the the "Link Here" behavior is not hidden

It is also something that makes it stand out against most other desktop environments available, making a transition from e.g. windows to KDE harder.

This shoudl really be configurable in KDE, they can hardly argue that this would have resulted in too many optioions, as there are allready so many options for things that are far less groundbreaking differences in beheavior.

Not being able to configure this in konqueroer or dolphin is also inconsistent with KDE itself, as a similar menu exists in Kmail, where you actually can configure if you want the menu or not.

Even worse the problem remains in KDE4 and dolphin. In fact the problem gets worse. If you drag a file from a Konquerer or Dolphin window to the desktop a plasmoid is created on the desktop without any menu popping up as it do if you drag it to another konqeror or dolphin window.

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MamiyaOtaru Member since:
2005-11-11

The following is unfortunately all in the realm of "anecdotes and personal preferences" (as a previous poster put it), but as I can only speak for myself I don't know what else I could do.

In other words every time we move a file we are asked what we want to do even though some of the alternatives are so much more probable than others.

I use "link here" all the time. I can also be a spaz and realize I've dragged something over the wrong directory (never mind when I didn't actually mean to drag something in the first place). Being able to cancel is welcome.

Now from what I read about dragging with the middle mouse button in Gnome, they have a nice solution for that (one I didn't realize until now, despite using Gnome for a few months now). I'd be satisfied with that for linking, though I'm left with the question of visibility, given that I had no idea that option was there.

Even worse the problem remains in KDE4 and dolphin. In fact the problem gets worse. If you drag a file from a Konquerer or Dolphin window to the desktop a plasmoid is created on the desktop

The desktop in Plasma is broken (see my initial disclaimer).

Edited 2008-03-22 21:19 UTC

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unoengborg Member since:
2005-07-06


Now from what I read about dragging with the middle mouse button in Gnome, they have a nice solution for that (one I didn't realize until now, despite using Gnome for a few months now). I'd be satisfied with that for linking, though I'm left with the question of visibility, given that I had no idea that option was there.


I totally agree! This is just as bad as the hidden "link here" menu item in KDE, in fact its even worse as it is assigned to the middle button, and many people doesnt have three button mice.

However the idea of just getting the menu, when you actually need it (just like in windows) is good.

What GNOME and KDE should do is to make it possible to create links from the application menu. E.g. they could introduce a "Paste Link" menu item in the edit menu so that people could use "Copy" and "Paste Link" actions to create links.

Naturally, Gnome could keep the current middle button drag menu as an extra short cut for powerusers with thre button mice. It is a very nice short cut for those who know about it.

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