Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 21st Mar 2008 21:49 UTC
Editorial "I used KDE as my primary desktop from 1996 through 2006, when I installed the GNOME version of Ubuntu and found that I liked it better than the KDE desktop I'd faced every morning for so many years. Last January, I got a new Dell Latitude D630 laptop and decided to install Kubuntu on it, but within a few weeks, I went back to GNOME. Does this mean GNOME is now a better desktop than KDE, or just that I have become so accustomed to GNOME that it's hard for me to give it up?"
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monodeldiablo
Member since:
2005-07-06

Then middle click + drag and stop whining. You'll get the same menu as KDE gives you by default, but only when you want it, not every time you attempt to copy a file.

The great myth perpetuated by you and others is that GNOME isn't configurable. The truth of the matter is that sane defaults are used and prominent, whilst geeky or rarely used functionality is left to the geek to track down. Power users and desktop tweakers will possess the knowledge (and let's face it, time) to hunt down the proper settings (typically in GConf).

I'm not in any particular "camp" regarding the Desktop Jihad, but uninformed arguments like yours do nothing to further the development of either platform. GNOME's file drag 'n' drop behavior is an excellent example of UI design for both geeks and mortals. If this is the great flaw of GNOME, we need more failures like it. If this is your argument in favor of KDE, I'll stick with WMII, thank you very much.

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gustl Member since:
2006-01-19

Then middle click + drag and stop whining.


Middle-clicking onto a file is unintuitive to anyone who uses the middle mouse button to paste something. It would feel subconsciously like "overwrite the file with whatever is currently in the buffer".
I know this is illogical, but to me it feels like that.
In Windows I often move stuff when I wanted to copy it, but I admit that the popup menu of KDE can be annoying.

For the dumbed-down configuration dialog and the gconf editor:

It is unproductive.
Why?
Because configuring Gnome to my liking takes approximately 3 times longer than configuring KDE to my liking.
In KDE I can walk through the whole configuration dialogue within approximately two hours. I will find every thing I want to configure on this walktrough.
In Gnome it is a 5 minute walk through the dialogue, then a 3 hour search for other dialogues or hidden configuration options, only to find out that there are none. Then it is a horrible search through the gconf editor guessing which keyword does what, trying to change, see if the right keyword was changed, finding out that it was not the right keyword, try others which might be the right ones, and after 5 minutes we have the first of 20 necessary changes.

KDE shows that it need not be like that.
For Gnome maybe one simple button labeled "Expose all options" and a config tree similar in size as KDE's appears, would solve this issue.

I can accept simple and clean interfaces for the applications themselves, I agree that for applications less is more, as long as whatever is left is enough, and possibilities to add what is missing are available.
But for configuration dialogues more is more, because people should not spend time learning how to correctly set things up in gconf. A configuration dialogue is rarely opened, usually once or twice. For rarely used stuff the "no learning required" paradigm of graphical user interfaces have their biggest advantage over the "it's fast when you already know what to do" paradigm of a command line interface.
I think the Gnome usability guys were wrong when they decided to make Gnome configuration complicated.

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sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

In Gnome it is a 5 minute walk through the dialogue, then a 3 hour search for other dialogues or hidden configuration options,


Want my advice? Well, I'll give it anyway. Normal users are going to be pretty happy with the defaults. So we're talking about using Gnome like a geek, here.[1] So I'll give you the straightforward geek advice. Run through the config process once, and for each change you make, add a gconftool-2 line to a script and save the script in a safe place. Next time you need to configure Gnome, just run the script. You'll be able to tweak Gnome to exactly the way you like it in five or ten seconds.

Out of curiosity, does KDE have such a facility?

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[1] Why regular users are capable of getting real work done with the defaults, while geeks insist that they are unable to do so without tweaking the hell out of their desktops, I've never understood. To me, it suggests a certain rigidness of mind, an unwillingness to learn new procedures, and a penchant for painting the bicycle shed.

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leos Member since:
2005-09-21

Then middle click + drag and stop whining. You'll get the same menu as KDE gives you by default, but only when you want it, not every time you attempt to copy a file.


Except I can't middle click drag on my laptop. Same goes for resizing windows. I think Gnome requires me to hold alt + middle button and drag to resize a window, which is impossible with a trackpad.

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