Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 21st Mar 2008 21:49 UTC
Editorial "I used KDE as my primary desktop from 1996 through 2006, when I installed the GNOME version of Ubuntu and found that I liked it better than the KDE desktop I'd faced every morning for so many years. Last January, I got a new Dell Latitude D630 laptop and decided to install Kubuntu on it, but within a few weeks, I went back to GNOME. Does this mean GNOME is now a better desktop than KDE, or just that I have become so accustomed to GNOME that it's hard for me to give it up?"
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RE[3]: Challenge yourself
by lemur2 on Sat 22nd Mar 2008 10:54 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Challenge yourself"
lemur2
Member since:
2007-02-17

"In the future, once KDE 4 matures a bit, KDE will have the far more solid framework. KDE also has no mono dependencies, and KDE is licensed as GPL v3, so it has far less patent risk than GNOME.


Except Gnome doesn't have Mono dependencies.

Stop spreading the FUD.
"

A number of the desktop utilities that "go with GNOME" have mono dependencies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mono_(software)#Software_developed_with_Mono

Beagle, Banshee/Muine, FSpot & Tomboy notes are the main offenders.

Here is another good site to monitor for applications to avoid:
http://www.mono-project.com/Software

Beagle in particular will give a lot of GNOME-based desktops a dependency on mono.

Going with strigi (as used in KDE 4) would be a far better and safer choice.

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RE[4]: Challenge yourself
by WereCatf on Sat 22nd Mar 2008 12:40 in reply to "RE[3]: Challenge yourself"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

Beagle in particular will give a lot of GNOME-based desktops a dependency on mono.

GNOME does support tracker also, it is not dependant on Beagle. It's just merely the fact that distro providers usually choose Beagle for one or another reason. Blame the packagers instead ;)

GNOME desktop itself isn't dependant on Mono (thank God), and removing Mono doesn't remove any major functionality either. There's alternatives to all those Mono apps, like f.ex. I always use Rhythmbox, not going to touch Banshee/Muine.

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RE[5]: Challenge yourself
by chemical_scum on Sat 22nd Mar 2008 22:55 in reply to "RE[4]: Challenge yourself"
chemical_scum Member since:
2005-11-02

GNOME does support tracker also, it is not dependant on Beagle. It's just merely the fact that distro providers usually choose Beagle for one or another reason. Blame the packagers instead ;)


Ubuntu Gutsy wisely uses Tracker rather than Beagle as as its default metadata database. However it is distributed with the Mono libraries and the F-Spot and Tomboy applications installed. Nice applications but hardly essential. No great loss to uninstall them.

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RE[4]: Challenge yourself
by thewolf on Sat 22nd Mar 2008 14:48 in reply to "RE[3]: Challenge yourself"
thewolf Member since:
2007-12-27

But I'm perfectly happy with Mono based software.

Having Mono around is a good thing because it means programs get developed quicker, and that there are more programs to choose from.

Sure, one day Microsoft might kick up a stink, but what does it matter when it's only non-trivial programs that are written using Mono? And besides, when Vala is ready you'll be able to port Mono programs to Gnome without having to worry about this.

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RE[5]: Challenge yourself
by sbergman27 on Sat 22nd Mar 2008 14:57 in reply to "RE[4]: Challenge yourself"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

Having Mono around is a good thing because it means programs get developed quicker, and that there are more programs to choose from

Is that true? Or is it propaganda? Beagle, a Novell project which uses Mono and had the indexing framework, the core of the project, handed to them on a silver platter in the form of Apache Lucene, which only had to be ported from jave, is currently being passed up by the small and unsponsored team of developers working on Tracker, and writing in C. Mono needs some actual evidence to back the "faster development" hype. And the current line-up of Mono apps does not provide that. Quite the contrary.

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RE[5]: Challenge yourself
by leos on Sun 23rd Mar 2008 00:02 in reply to "RE[4]: Challenge yourself"
leos Member since:
2005-09-21

Sure, one day Microsoft might kick up a stink, but what does it matter when it's only non-trivial programs that are written using Mono?


I don't follow. If the programs written in Mono are non-trivial, wouldn't that make it worse if MS decided to make trouble?

And besides, when Vala is ready you'll be able to port Mono programs to Gnome without having to worry about this.


True, theoretically. But that's still a lot of effort. I don't think you'll see a lot of people porting Mono apps to Vala in a hurry.

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