Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 21st Mar 2008 21:49 UTC
Editorial "I used KDE as my primary desktop from 1996 through 2006, when I installed the GNOME version of Ubuntu and found that I liked it better than the KDE desktop I'd faced every morning for so many years. Last January, I got a new Dell Latitude D630 laptop and decided to install Kubuntu on it, but within a few weeks, I went back to GNOME. Does this mean GNOME is now a better desktop than KDE, or just that I have become so accustomed to GNOME that it's hard for me to give it up?"
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RE[5]: From GNOME to KDE and back
by siride on Sat 22nd Mar 2008 15:12 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: From GNOME to KDE and back"
siride
Member since:
2006-01-02

I'm not calling them idiots. The philosophy of the GNOME developers seems to be "remove features that might be confusing to idiots". I have run up against so many walls in GNOME and it is very frustrating.

I have to agree with you on polish, though. GNOME definitely feels more polished, even though it also feels more simplistic and less featureful (and my God, will they ever may GTK+ make good use of screen real-estate?). I think KDE 4 is moving towards a cleaner interface, but it's so far from complete right now, which is unfortunate.

If we had a DE that had the features and integration of KDE, with the polish of GNOME, we'd be in business on the desktop. Right now, neither DE gets it right in both camps and that's a major problem.

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sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

The philosophy of the GNOME developers seems to be "remove features that might be confusing to idiots". I have run up against so many walls in GNOME and it is very frustrating.

By and large, they were not removed. They were moved to gconf-editor. Not all features are worth cluttering up the user interface. If you have not looked at gconf-editor, you owe it to yourself to do so. Also, one other tip. If the feature you need is not immediately apparent in gconf-editor, don't hunt all over for the option you need:

gconftool-2 -R /

will give you a list of *all* the possible keys. grep for what you want. gconftool-2 can also apply setting changes, and so is a very powerful tool for administrators. A short script lets me quickly apply any setting change I desire to any user or group of users I choose, in just a few seconds.

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_txf_ Member since:
2008-03-17

Gnome is a lot more polished than KDE 3.5 these days but that is hardly a fair statement seeing as you have to really compare gnome from 2 years ago to make it a fair assessment on polish.

I like gnome and kde both. But in the end I found that there were aspects to gnome that really annoyed me:

1) I use a laptop, so I have a relatively low res screen. GTK has so much empty unused space, the buttons are needlessly huge (at least of me). The worst example of this for me was the open/save dialog box which took up nearly my whole screen without doing anything particularly fancy. I'm not blind!!

2) users are Idiots mentality. Maybe some like the fact that there aren't more options i.e. it's cleaner. Sure it is cleaner, but in the same way a blank walls looks cleaner than a wall with posters on it. Gconf is not really a solution for this (not all apps expose useful features in it).

3) GTK is slow, not really a fair statement as qt3 is positively ancient, plus the fact that nvidia seems to refuse to acknowledge they have poor 2d acceleration leads to a less pleasant experience. after all kde 4 and Qt4 apps are slow for me (again gfx driver issues).

4) Nautilus sucks..long live Konqueror. Even Dolphin is more full featured

5) I find kwin to be a better window manager overall.

However I can live with the app crashes that occur frequently with kde and the general "roughness" of the kde desktop but others looking for things "that just work" should stay with gnome.

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leos Member since:
2005-09-21

By and large, they were not removed. They were moved to gconf-editor. Not all features are worth cluttering up the user interface. If you have not looked at gconf-editor, you owe it to yourself to do so. Also, one other tip. If the feature you need is not immediately apparent in gconf-editor, don't hunt all over for the option you need:

gconftool-2 -R /


Hmm, I don't really have time for that sort of thing. Having a quick look through some config dialogs I can handle, but gconf-editor is way more in-depth than I want to get just to figure out if I can change something, or if a particular feature exists. Yes, useful keys exist, but they are lumped in with lots of truly esoteric settings that really should never be changed, and differentiating between the two is not exactly my idea of fun.

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