Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 31st Mar 2008 19:28 UTC
Gnome Ars reviews GNOME 2.22, and concludes: "In version 2.22 GNOME continues to provide a high level of performance, functionality, and ease of use that contributes significantly to the viability of Linux on the desktop. Despite the numerous advances that are being made in GNOME technologies, there are still a few notable places where GNOME falls short of both open and proprietary competitors. GNOME application file dialogs, for instance, still lack basic support for file management operations such as rename and delete and don't provide support for viewing multiple file thumbnails."
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Comment by Boldie
by Boldie on Mon 31st Mar 2008 20:01 UTC
Boldie
Member since:
2007-03-26

"GNOME application file dialogs, for instance, still lack basic support for file management operations such as rename and delete and don't provide support for viewing multiple file thumbnails."

I don't think this will happen. Remember Torvalds comment that "Gnome seems to be developed by interface nazis":
http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/12/13/1340215

RE: Comment by Boldie
by h3rman on Mon 31st Mar 2008 20:45 in reply to "Comment by Boldie"
h3rman Member since:
2006-08-09

Oh please, not that one again.
Yes, we Gnome users know that Gnome deeply sucks.
That's why we use it, because we feel sorry for it.
All right?

Now for f**** sake, let's move on, everybody knows that there are still some peculiar deficiencies in the Gnome DE. That can be discussed without good ol' Linus's "interface-nazi" contribution.

And I'm still convinced that the fact there's both Gnome and KDE on *n*x makes both DE's better DE's.

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RE[2]: Comment by Boldie
by Boldie on Tue 1st Apr 2008 06:47 in reply to "RE: Comment by Boldie"
Boldie Member since:
2007-03-26

Well I think I have to clear one thing: I do not agree with Torvalds. I think that Gnome is doing good with its clean interface. Sorry for not making it clear!

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RE: Comment by Boldie
by WereCatf on Mon 31st Mar 2008 20:58 in reply to "Comment by Boldie"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

I don't think this will happen. Remember Torvalds comment that "Gnome seems to be developed by interface nazis":

I thought Linus is first and foremost a kernel developer, not a GUI designer...

I just think consistent guidelines for GUI development is a good thing and I personally do like the look and feel of GNOME apps. And yes, the file open/save dialog should provide thumbnails and atleast the ability to rename files but GNOME devs have just responded this far that one should use file manager to do file managing. I do agree it's a bit nitpicky but given the GVFS capability and all they just might change their stanse and implement those features. Atleast thumbnailing they should add, it makes the dialog feel inconsistent with the rest of the desktop if it doesn't support thumbnails (pretty much everything else does support big and clear thumbnails)

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RE: Comment by Boldie
by johndaly on Mon 31st Mar 2008 22:30 in reply to "Comment by Boldie"
johndaly Member since:
2006-01-16

Is it even bad to be an interface nazi? In general I like the way Gnome dose things and that is because they are interface nazis!

They care about the UI, they care about it fanaticaly and it shows. I even believe its rubbing off. Did you take a look at some of the dialogs and configuration applets in KDE? Some of the Gnome ideas on UI design definitely rubbed off and I'm sure the same will happen in reverse (some of those dialog ideas are good).

Sure file management in file open/save dialogs sucks right now, BUT the Gnome guys realized that the file open/save dialog has a lot in common with the file manager. They realized this with the release of XFCEs Thunar and I don't believe they are dumb enough to NOT act on that.

Edited 2008-03-31 22:32 UTC

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RE: Comment by Boldie
by evangs on Tue 1st Apr 2008 07:11 in reply to "Comment by Boldie"
evangs Member since:
2005-07-07

I do not want a full featured file browser appearing in a dialog that's meant to open and save files. Being able to browse the file system, create a folder and name my file is what I want in a file dialog. Anything else is overkill and that's why we have KDE.

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RE[2]: Comment by Boldie
by leos on Tue 1st Apr 2008 07:53 in reply to "RE: Comment by Boldie"
leos Member since:
2005-09-21

I do not want a full featured file browser appearing in a dialog that's meant to open and save files. Being able to browse the file system, create a folder and name my file is what I want in a file dialog. Anything else is overkill and that's why we have KDE.


Except that "I do not want" is not an argument. Why do you not want? If you're going to argue against the inclusion of a feature then you'll have to be more convincing than that. Perhaps you think that it will add complexity to the UI, but then you have to explain exactly how it will do that.

Every other system has shown that the ability to do some common file operations in the open/save dialog does not add complexity or get in the way of opening and saving files. These features can be hidden in a context menu where they don't get in anyone's way.

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