Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 31st Mar 2008 19:28 UTC
Gnome Ars reviews GNOME 2.22, and concludes: "In version 2.22 GNOME continues to provide a high level of performance, functionality, and ease of use that contributes significantly to the viability of Linux on the desktop. Despite the numerous advances that are being made in GNOME technologies, there are still a few notable places where GNOME falls short of both open and proprietary competitors. GNOME application file dialogs, for instance, still lack basic support for file management operations such as rename and delete and don't provide support for viewing multiple file thumbnails."
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RE[4]: Comment by Boldie
by segedunum on Tue 1st Apr 2008 12:18 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Boldie"
segedunum
Member since:
2005-07-06

This is not the case on OS X


OS X does at least have the ability to create a new folder in a save dialogue.

...which is widely reputed to be one of the most usable operating systems around......Gnome's file dialogs share a lot in common with OS X's file dialogs.....

"Oh, OSX does stuff like this!" is not a valid justification, nor is the perception that OS X is some kind of usability oracle. For some reason that attitude seems to pervade everyone who associates themselves with Gnome. You see people spinning on Mac forums like this as well.

in that they are minimalistic in design

I love watching people squirm coming up with reasons for stuff like this.

A file dialog should only deal with opening and saving files.

No, that is not what an open, and especially a save dialogue, is supposed to do, and it just shows how people have been brainwashed by this stuff. A file dialogue is there for you to provide a file path for opening. Certainly in the case of saving, that file path doesn't exist, because the file itself doesn't yet exist. The file dialogue should then do what it needs to do to make that file path resolvable, including creating any folders that don't exist and giving the user the tools to achieve that. If you can't then you can't create a file path.

A file dialogue is a tool used to save and open file paths, not individual files. If that was the case you would have a system with no directory structure where all files would be saved in the root directory. Then the arguments would make sense.

Logically, taking this approach you can argue that file dialogues should not be creating file paths at all in any way, and thus, when saving you should create a file of the type you need in Nautilus first and then navigate to it in the save dialogue of the application so it can be saved. When you install a piece of software and it goes through the wizard, and you then come to the part where you decide where you want it installed, if the file path doesn't exist should it say "I'm sorry, you need to create the file path and any folders first through Nautilus"?

When you're part of a niche who thinks they're doing things cool and different, you can get away with this stuff. When you have more people using your desktop this is the kind of issue that tends to crop up. A lot.

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RE[5]: Comment by Boldie
by unapersson on Tue 1st Apr 2008 13:07 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Boldie"
unapersson Member since:
2005-07-19

"This is not the case on OS X


OS X does at least have the ability to create a new folder in a save dialogue.
"

And so does GNOME. I use that feature all the time.

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RE[5]: Comment by Boldie
by h3rman on Tue 1st Apr 2008 13:07 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Boldie"
h3rman Member since:
2006-08-09

"This is not the case on OS X


OS X does at least have the ability to create a new folder in a save dialogue.
"
You're implying Gnome can't do that, but it can.
Whence the confusion?
Or did they remove it after 2.16, the one I just checked it on? That would make little sense if they did.

edit: O_o someone was first.. ;)

Edited 2008-04-01 13:09 UTC

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RE[5]: Comment by Boldie
by Kitty on Tue 1st Apr 2008 13:08 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Boldie"
Kitty Member since:
2005-10-01

OS X does at least have the ability to create a new folder in a save dialogue.
...
The file dialogue should then do what it needs to do to make that file path resolvable, including creating any folders that don't exist and giving the user the tools to achieve that.
...


Why all the ranting and flailing at empty air?

Why all the babbling about "resolving paths" instead of dealing with files (a concept that would be lost on most users, btw)?

There's a big "Create Folder" button in the Gnome save file dialog, right next to the breadcrumb buttons.

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RE[6]: Comment by Boldie
by evangs on Tue 1st Apr 2008 13:15 in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by Boldie"
evangs Member since:
2005-07-07


Why all the ranting and flailing at empty air?


Probably because that is the mark of an enlightened computer user, unlike the masses of unwashed rabble who follow blindly like sheep and are able find the "Create Folder" button.

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RE[5]: Comment by Boldie
by evangs on Tue 1st Apr 2008 13:12 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Boldie"
evangs Member since:
2005-07-07


OS X does at least have the ability to create a new folder in a save dialogue.


Gnome does this, so what's the issue?


"Oh, OSX does stuff like this!" is not a valid justification, nor is the perception that OS X is some kind of usability oracle. For some reason that attitude seems to pervade everyone who associates themselves with Gnome. You see people spinning on Mac forums like this as well.


In the same way the let's include everything and the kitchen sink pervades the KDE way of thinking? See what I did there?


"A file dialog should only deal with opening and saving files.

No, that is not what an open, and especially a save dialogue, is supposed to do, and it just shows how people have been brainwashed by this stuff.
"

Ah I see. So people who have adopt a different approach and prefer that approach are mindless sheep who have been brainwashed. Got ya.

There are different DEs for different people. I like the OS X and Gnome way of doing things. You obviously don't. Choice is good, aye?

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RE[5]: Comment by Boldie
by starnix on Wed 2nd Apr 2008 15:55 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Boldie"
starnix Member since:
2006-05-12

"OS X does at least have the ability to create a new folder in a save dialogue. "

So does gnome.

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RE[6]: Comment by Boldie
by WereCatf on Wed 2nd Apr 2008 16:08 in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by Boldie"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

True, I didn't remember that. I checked it in both Gedit and in Gimp and there it is, "Create new folder". But!! This dialog _seriously_ needs some UI love >_<

http://img395.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotsaveasww9.png

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