Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 11th Apr 2008 21:46 UTC, submitted by Rahul
Red Hat "The Fedora Project attracts a lot of interest from the Linux faithful. While there are perhaps more newbie-friendly, corporate-friendly, or special-interest-focused distributions, Fedora continues to wear the innovation hat. Fedora announced Fedora 9 Beta late last month, and Test Center reviewers replaced the current Fedora 8 install to see what the new version has to offer. Since Fedora 9 (Stirling) is still in beta, occasional bugs and some rough edges were inevitable. But there is a solid indication of the new things to come that makes the stable release, expected May 1, worth watching."
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Belated beta review?
by rklrkl on Sat 12th Apr 2008 11:03 UTC
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2005-07-06

Is it just me or hadn't Fedora 9 Beta already been out 17 days before this review came out? Heck, I thought I was slow installing it the day after its release (mainly because the day 1 torrents were dog slow - it took many hours before they put a faster seed up for the 64-bit DVD).

In fact, if Fedora 9 Preview hadn't been delayed (though the F9 schedule hasn't been updated to indicate this as I write - Fedora tend to be laggy updating their Wiki schedule when there's delays), the *next* pre-release of F9 would have been out before this Beta review, since it was originally scheduled for 10th April and the review of the Beta was published on 11th April.

BTW, F9 Beta had an "interesting" issue on my Dell Vostro 400. Because my Philips old-school 4:3 CRT monitor wasn't recognised, X now defaults to widescreen resolution for unknown monitors and doesn't put Mode lines in xorg.conf either (so, yep, the only way to get the 1280x1024 res I wanted was to hand-edit xorg.conf and put Mode lines in, ho hum). Even after I got the res sorted, the screen was shifted well to the left at 1280x1024 - at this point, I gave up and booted back into F8.

Didn't like the "faces" GDM login default either - I'd rather type a username in (probably an easily hackable pref, but it's a definite change for all previous GDM login defaults in every version of RH/Fedora I can ever remember).

Also hated that GNOME Terminal no longer lets you set the cursor blink to off (a GNOME 2.22 "innovation") - the setting is now global and buried in the Keyboard prefs! Madness from the GNOME devs there - terminal cursors shouldn't blink and also be forced to blink (or not blink) the same way as text carets in completely different apps!

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RE: Belated beta review?
by shotsman on Sat 12th Apr 2008 11:38 in reply to "Belated beta review?"
shotsman Member since:
2005-07-22

Back in the days of Dumb Terminals like a DEC VT220, the default was for the cursor to blink. Yes you could switch it off.

I like blinking cursors.

What I want is an easy way to change my mouse color in Windows. In some applications, it just disappears into the background mush.

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RE[2]: Belated beta review?
by sledgehammer89 on Sat 12th Apr 2008 13:14 in reply to "RE: Belated beta review?"
sledgehammer89 Member since:
2006-02-02

> I like blinking cursors

But it hurts your battery a bit (just a little one in the big powersave puzzle)

Edited 2008-04-12 13:14 UTC

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RE[2]: Belated beta review?
by Doc Pain on Sun 13th Apr 2008 00:51 in reply to "RE: Belated beta review?"
Doc Pain Member since:
2006-10-08

Back in the days of Dumb Terminals like a DEC VT220, the default was for the cursor to blink. Yes you could switch it off.


Even the DEC vt100 could to this.

I like blinking cursors.


I won't comment on this. :-)

What I want is an easy way to change my mouse color in Windows. In some applications, it just disappears into the background mush.


Furthermore, I'd like to see all (!) applications to obey this setting, at least the modern ones. For example Opera: You can set your cursor to a nice black color with a white border. But when Opera starts loading a page, the mouse cursor changes into an ugly white shape with an hourglass attached.

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RE: Belated beta review?
by Doc Pain on Sun 13th Apr 2008 00:40 in reply to "Belated beta review?"
Doc Pain Member since:
2006-10-08

Because my Philips old-school 4:3 CRT monitor wasn't recognised, X now defaults to widescreen resolution for unknown monitors and doesn't put Mode lines in xorg.conf either (so, yep, the only way to get the 1280x1024 res I wanted was to hand-edit xorg.conf and put Mode lines in, ho hum). Even after I got the res sorted, the screen was shifted well to the left at 1280x1024 - at this point, I gave up and booted back into F8.


Maybe this problem is related to X.org. I had similar experiences trying to get my 21" Eizo CRT running at 1400x1050 which worked without problems in XFree86 (no joke), but X.org allows only 1152x864 (or was it 768? the geometry looked weird), and I can under no circumstances (even adding proven modelines doesn't help) get this mode again. I rewrote xorg.conf and even forced modes, but this didn't seem to impress the X server.

Sometimes it's hard to believe that new software does fail at simple tasks that older software did flawlessly out of the box.

Didn't like the "faces" GDM login default either - I'd rather type a username in (probably an easily hackable pref, but it's a definite change for all previous GDM login defaults in every version of RH/Fedora I can ever remember).


I think its possible to replace gdm by xdm or wdm and keep using Gnome.

Also hated that GNOME Terminal no longer lets you set the cursor blink to off (a GNOME 2.22 "innovation") - the setting is now global and buried in the Keyboard prefs! Madness from the GNOME devs there - terminal cursors shouldn't blink and also be forced to blink (or not blink) the same way as text carets in completely different apps!


Wow, that's really strange. I always thought non-blinking cursors would be the default (like they are in classical xterms) for terminal emulators...

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RE[2]: Belated beta review?
by sbergman27 on Sun 13th Apr 2008 00:55 in reply to "RE: Belated beta review?"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

I had similar experiences trying to get my 21" Eizo CRT running at 1400x1050 which worked without problems in XFree86 (no joke), but X.org allows only 1152x864

Out of curiosity, what card and driver? I can never get 1680x1050 with the nv driver, but the nvidia driver does it fine. If you've added mode lines and all that to no effect, you may be fighting a video driver issue.

Also, perhaps telling the driver to ignore EDIDs, if it supports such an option, might help?

Edited 2008-04-13 00:57 UTC

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