Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 16th Apr 2008 20:01 UTC, submitted by irbis
3D News, GL, DirectX Open Graphics Project founder Timothy Miller recently noted on the project's mailing list that they are set to announce that their first hardware, the OGD1, is ready for pre-order. "The OGD1 design has actually been finished for a couple of months now," he began, explaining that they've been setting up a way to process pre-orders for the first 100 boards. The board will retail at USD 1500, with a USD 100 discount offered for the first 100 pre-orders. "These are pre-orders, not orders," Timothy continued, "that means the lead time is unpredictable. We don't have a stock. We will purchase a stock based on the number of pre-orders we get. Also, this means that if we never get a large enough number of pre-orders, we will be unable to fulfil them; all pre-orders would be cancelled, and no one would be charged anything."
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More open specifications
by John.Gustafsson on Wed 16th Apr 2008 22:00 UTC
John.Gustafsson
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2005-08-08

With ATi kind of trying to make their documentation open and iNTEL pretty much opening theirs, will there be a place for an "open source" graphics card?

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RE: More open specifications
by umccullough on Wed 16th Apr 2008 22:07 in reply to "More open specifications"
umccullough Member since:
2006-01-26

With ATi kind of trying to make their documentation open and iNTEL pretty much opening theirs, will there be a place for an "open source" graphics card?


Ok, I know this is both cheeky and a bad comparison:

With Microsoft trying to make their protocols open, is there really a place for open source operating systems?

How exactly do you learn how to build a graphics card and improve on existing designs without having reference implementations to learn from and play with?

Open source is more than having information on how something is built... Drivers and specifications are just the software that allows the OS to communicate with the hardware - it doesn't define how the hardware works internally.

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RE: More open specifications
by apoclypse on Wed 16th Apr 2008 22:19 in reply to "More open specifications"
apoclypse Member since:
2007-02-17

This is not just an opensource graphics card, its a kind of roadmap on how to build your own graphics hardware, something you are not going to get from Intel or ATi. This is more for those who want to build their own graphics card and want to see the ins and outs of real on with full documentation, specs, possibly howtos, and source code showing you how and why it works. At least that is what i get form this project, otherwise the thign is rather useless as a video card. the only real benefit is educational.

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RE: More open specifications
by CaptainPinko on Wed 16th Apr 2008 22:19 in reply to "More open specifications"
CaptainPinko Member since:
2005-07-21

With ATi kind of trying to make their documentation open and iNTEL pretty much opening theirs, will there be a place for an "open source" graphics card?


Sorry but as far as I know ATi and Intel are only open-sourcing the interface to their cards not the actual gate layout itself. Actually, I don't believing they are revealing any of the actual implementation of the chips. If you want to build your own graphics card (for a cell phone or for research) there is nothing you could reuse except for maybe the interface... but that's probably patented.

In summary: Intel and ATi may give us OSS drivers, but still no OSS graphic cards.

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sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

In summary: Intel and ATi may give us OSS drivers, but still no OSS graphic cards.

But do we know that the machines that will be manufacturing these cards will be running OSS? Because if they're not, it's not truly an OSS card.

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RE: More open specifications
by gustl on Thu 17th Apr 2008 14:14 in reply to "More open specifications"
gustl Member since:
2006-01-19

You see, the new "openness" of ATI is not really reflected by it's driver development efforts.

You still see ATI not pouring lots of resources into the open source drivers. Its more a sort of "we finally no longer block you open sourcers" attitude.

OGA will be completely different, ALL of the specs will be open, down to the hardware level, not just some ATIBIOS ABI thrown out to the public.

In essence there will be open drivers AND open firmware, something no other manufacturer offers. It's the ultimate open source approach.

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