Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 16th Apr 2008 20:09 UTC, submitted by jello
Two days ago, the news that a company called Psystar was offering a Mac clone made quite some waves across the net. They were offering their Open Computer, a standard x86 machine, which they could pre-load with Mac OS X Leopard."We're not breaking any laws,", they insisted. ComputerWorld and The Guardian did some digging around, and found some discrepancies.
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RE[5]: But why really care?
by David on Thu 17th Apr 2008 01:58
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RE[6]: But why really care?
by macUser on Thu 17th Apr 2008 19:28
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"To save a couple of extra dollars you're willing to pay for a built system on which nothing is guaranteed to work.
Yes, but if it doesn't work with OSX in the long run, you can always just install Windows or Linux on it. "
I guess the point is... You're spending good money to "experience" Mac OS X on a product that is _BOUND_ to break and cause you frustration... Not exactly a fair assessment of the OS or Apple.
Again, if money is _THAT_ much of an issue why set yourself up for failure? Whether or not you can install *nix or Windows on it doesn't matter.
If you're that "curious" and that "tight" with your money, just build your own hackintosh and save even more money.
Buying a product that isn't guaranteed to work, and has a high probability of being killed off with a simple firmware update seems mind numbingly stupid to me.
RE[5]: But why really care?
by Doc Pain on Thu 17th Apr 2008 11:29
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Since your time is not so valuable, it seems like building your own box would be even a cheaper entry into the Mac OS X """experience""" (triple quote for emphasis), and when things don't work right, you can complain about how """broken""" the Mac OS really is...
You're mentioning a valid point here. Let's just assume the "Clone-Macs" are going to be sold, people buy it, and then they encounter problems, maybe during an update that fails and renders the system unusable, or while running a program that constantly crashed. What would be the content of the complain you're going to hear? "I just bought this Apple thing, and Mac OS X is complete bullshit! It crashes all the time and nothing no work!" So this may lead into bad publicity for Apple. They are usually famous for the "computing experience" they sell (hardware + software), but if a similar product occurs that is - for the average customer - too difficult to distinguish from their own product, they will be blamed for things that fail, no matter if these problems don't occur on their own Mac systems.
I still hope that's not going to happen. Please get me right: In principle, I welcome the idea of a "low cost Mac alternative", but to be honest... I'd rather buy a "real" Apple system if it's up to real work; but for entertainment and exploring the Mac OS X world, they may be good starter's alternatives. - Just assumptions, nota bene.
RE[6]: But why really care?
by Bounty on Thu 17th Apr 2008 16:36
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constantly crashed. What would be the content of the complain you're going to hear? "I just bought this Apple thing, and Mac OS X is complete bullshit! It crashes all the time and nothing no work!" So this may lead into bad publicity for Apple. They are usually famous for the "computing experience" they sell (hardware + software), but if a similar product occurs that is - for the average customer - too difficult to distinguish from their own product, they will be blamed for things that fail, no matter if these problems don't occur on their own Mac systems.
So Apple would be apples to apples with Microsoft. Anyways, I think the 'computing experience' thing is vapor or some kind of jedi mind trick. Of 3 Apple laptops I've owned, 2 have died right after the warranty expired from mobo failure. I'm sure Psystar's experiment will fail under pressure from Apple or lawsuits, but I do wish for OSX built for generic hardware. That would help solve MS's monopoly and Apple's 'bundling' issues that seem less than competitive.
RE[5]: But why really care?
by StephenBeDoper on Thu 17th Apr 2008 21:43
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Since your time is not so valuable, it seems like building your own box would be even a cheaper entry into the Mac OS X """experience""" (triple quote for emphasis), and when things don't work right, you can complain about how """broken""" the Mac OS really is...
Is OS X really so fragile and poorly-designed that it's incapable of running on any hardware that isn't explicitly Apple-"blessed"?
If that's true (and not just a lazy excuse favoured by Mac fans), then that sounds pretty """"broken"""" to me.
RE[6]: But why really care?
by macUser on Thu 17th Apr 2008 23:33
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Member since:2006-12-15
"Since your time is not so valuable, it seems like building your own box would be even a cheaper entry into the Mac OS X """experience""" (triple quote for emphasis), and when things don't work right, you can complain about how """broken""" the Mac OS really is...
Is OS X really so fragile and poorly-designed that it's incapable of running on any hardware that isn't explicitly Apple-"blessed"?
If that's true (and not just a lazy excuse favoured by Mac fans), then that sounds pretty """"broken"""" to me. "
Last time I checked, Apple works with vendors and provides the drivers for graphics cards, wireless, NICs etc... Should you go with hardware that is unsupported... Have Fun. Should Apple decide to brick your computer with a software update... Have fun. It won't be Apple's fault if it doesn't just work, but I'm sure y'all will try to make it out to be.
http://wiki.osx86project.org/wiki/index.php/HCL_10.5.2/Desktops
http://wiki.osx86project.org/wiki/index.php/HCL_10.5.2/Portables
Some of it works, some of it doesn't. It's a difficult concept to grasp, but Mac OS is designed to run on Apple hardware. It's not going to include drivers to every bit of hardware out there... And trying to run an incomplete system is not giving the OS or Apple a fair shake.
Your argument has ZERO merit, but I'm sure it made you feel better.
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Maybe some people just want to try OSX without paying $1200 (for an iMac) or buying a Mac Mini. "
That's what Apple stores are for...
Vunderful...
Since your time is not so valuable, it seems like building your own box would be even a cheaper entry into the Mac OS X """experience""" (triple quote for emphasis), and when things don't work right, you can complain about how """broken""" the Mac OS really is...
Sounds like a win for everybody.