"Recently, both Novell and Red Hat went on record as dismissing the idea that the consumer Linux desktop is going to be taking off anytime soon. It's not? Has anyone told Asus and Xandros? Everex and gOS? How about Dell and Ubuntu? They're all doing great with consumer Linux desktops." The enterprise Linux leaders are not the ones making strides on the desktop. Does that mean that the Linux desktop has no future, or just that they've let their business focus let them drop the ball on that segment of the market?
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Member since:2005-11-12
So now all the other distros that are popular than SUSE and Fedora have to somehow bow down to the fact that they have done all the work?
Thats getting rather boring now, it's called sharing and it's the spirit of opensource and Linux. They've been around longer, just wait until Ubuntu their own projects and having them put into upsteam, upstart is a start and there's alot more to come.
Member since:2005-11-11
Drop from Ubuntu all the good work done by Red Hat and Novell.
Or drop from Ubuntu all the good work done by Debian and see where it is 
But that's the nature of open source isn't it? Others may have been responsible for nearly everything in Ubuntu but if Ubuntu are the ones who polish it up (and accompany it with good marketing) good for them. As long as the donors (fedora, suse, debian) survive with less attention on the desktop, great. Everyone benefits. If anyone wants to try to duplicate Ubuntu's polish and marketing savvy, they are welcome to try and then the shoe would be on the other foot.
Member since:2005-07-06
Fedora/SUSE does alot of development in Linux tech but their distro is nowhere near as popular as Ubuntu, it's their job to wonder why that is.
The point he's making is Fedora and Novell are writing all this software and Ubuntu folks are saying we are responsible for the great linux desktop, at the same time telling us Fedora and Novell abandoned us.
What are the reasons the desktop is good these days? pulse audio? evolution? dbus, hal.. fedora and suse are the major reason why gnome is a good desktop today. But i guess things like a free java and flash implementations aren't for the desktop, neither is all the X cleanup code done the last few months by fedora. Or the system-config-tools that ubuntu uses. you think those popped outta the sky? All the software ubuntu uses to tout its "so easy" mantra is written by these people yet have the audacity to point the finger at fedora and suse like they're not pulling their weight? What a joke.
Member since:2005-08-07
Okay first of all, try to remember that Red Hat and Fedora a re two different things. Red Hat spun off Fedora as its own entity, so despite them sharing much of their code with each other (the same code that gets shared elsewhere...hmmm...) I don't consider them to be two halves of the same thing. They're not and Red Hat spent a lot of money to make that separation take place, so I'm pretty sure they're fully behind the distinction.
Secondly, can you show me anywhere where Red Hat (or their authorized spokespersons) have said anything differently since their initial statements recommending Microsoft Windows to home users, because Linux is "not ready" for the desktop? Because otherwise I have to take them at their words, and their words are abandonment of the home user market. They can't have it both ways...
Ummm... okay, so then why aren't I seeing all these hordes of people declaiming from the rooftops how easy it is to use all these features in their parent distros? If Fedora and OpenSUSE are bringing all these wonderful things to the table, wouldn't you expect them to be integrated best in their distros? If Ubuntu's only claim to fame is repackaging these things so that they'll work then I'd say they've done pretty well for themselves myself...
Why isn't it "so easy" to use Fedora and OpenSuse?
--bornagainpenguin
Edited 2008-04-18 20:07 UTC
Member since:2005-07-24
Frankly, I find this whole finger-pointing episode discouraging and rather nauseating. The Unix wars have returned. We have found the enemy... and he is us.
Everyone stop freaking obsessing on your own "side" and have a look at the big picture.
We all play our parts, large or small, for good or for ill. Whether we win or lose, let's try to conduct ourselves in such a way that we can feel good about the parts we did play... rather than wonder whether we helped or hurt.
Edited 2008-04-18 20:38 UTC
Member since:2005-11-12
So, thats the point of Linux, why can't you people stop being so elitist about your distro just because your devs do some of the major work.
You need to stop being so defensive and support ubuntu instead of trying to knock it down with your elitist views, it's not Microsoft your fighting you know. If anything Linux is going to fail because it's own users are fighting for their own version to be the dominate one. On the other hand maybe Ubuntu has stealed Fedora/SUSE's thunder for desktop Linux, I'm betting that has alot to do with it and some ego's need to chill abit.
Edited 2008-04-18 22:00 UTC
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2005-11-12
Doing alot of the development dont make your distro a better one, it's how you implement it that counts.
Fedora/SUSE does alot of development in Linux tech but their distro is nowhere near as popular as Ubuntu, it's their job to wonder why that is.